From bpfk-list+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDNpp3mBBoE8OViyw@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 26 15:17:01 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PArpC-000575-3A; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:17:01 -0700 Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38sf3752514wyb.16 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vPoGs27EVSWzdl+DcbXEU8YC7G/Jy1zyAYkkkRuH3IM=; b=IcqPvnZnOEyiojp9dCg9ob0ze5ikWYu7HgYlIqEqwZYcACNaebheugWIJ3sOYSIgoY mApK718sUvN7AiAJFfvoEqQJSuZp9KCZK5TeVN/0oWaQRtxoXkZl+SJzQHgx4Oh/A1t0 atgvd2FLzw6N0n8Wp5QamoE7iMj8QSOcyrWkI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Cngu3WyP+zuHhgfcCoPHKnJen7hVLYXJJ0u/CT8dm1caeihNL3xQUuMQXWnYycVOkY 76Pl2TmwtLsas7w0lnVpr85G4gSOxCHfkVNJyHlEMi0gPCxByCV93ybNGYbOUvmGhmAp lBx76liRd79JeGitHPEVqn4P+Mxj9LolG6+SQ= Received: by 10.216.65.1 with SMTP id e1mr9950wed.23.1288131405494; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.198.162 with SMTP id v34ls61861wen.3.p; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.82.17 with SMTP id n17mr434248wee.6.1288131404805; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.82.17 with SMTP id n17mr434247wee.6.1288131404778; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r4si2673515wec.14.2010.10.26.15.16.43; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.175; Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21so5078413wya.20 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.37.8 with SMTP id v8mr8431262wbd.37.1288131403593; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.32.140 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010260117.28780.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201010260927.37640.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:16:43 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] type-3 fu'ivla with different kinds of rafsi From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:48 AM, John Cowan wrote: > > The difference between type-3 and type-4 is relevant to fu'ivla > construction, not to analysis. =A0 A fu'ivla can look like a type-3 > while in fact being defined as a type-4. =A0For example, one could read > "spargani'umi" as a type-3 lujvo for some sort of plant (spati) for > which "gani'umi" is the Lojbanization, or it could be a type-4 lujvo > for the genus _Sparganium_, the bur-reeds (which are plants). =A0If I > tried harder, I could probably find a similar example with an apparent > 4-letter rafsi. You would need a source word with a consonantal syllable. I think type-4 with consonantal syllables should be avoided. > There can be no guaranteed analysis of a fu'ivla: it's any > brivla-shaped word that is not a gismu, lujvo, or slinku'i. =A0The point > of the type-3 rules is simply to help someone reliably build a fu'ivla > and not wind up with any of the other word forms. But the mere existence of the type-3 rules, plus the fact that pseudo type-3 are so rare, causes type-3 looking things to be interpreted as type-3, even if they were no intended to be. Whether that is in fact an official rule or not doesn't really matter much. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.