From bpfk-list+bncCMHEmaCOBhC0hb_lBBoE3UE1EQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 18:17:55 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4O4P-00086Y-3i; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:55 -0700 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9sf1568954gxk.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=p6xfv8eZhoLLjaYJYEIPe0ojEpF27IQI2ybMVZIHPEY=; b=OSEqE85FzKZHS3yEg2STYxK/pEv/T6HscJFWLpzBDoJ5/LsmdTdSpehMv0OLmlHrDl 0qNS9mM56C9SSpoUaguLO+1YquG+iQLgtIX3O7u9K+/BUafPo1uEZKDL8rWVTjhawEIs GHSbzCEFnrNjGUQTmnkPRr38Pxl7GMOxw91tc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=jlrWYmBV2OWQsEnJaHFHdm8gXgVNkr6K58VbTe/xxJMbl07ngb94GXtQmWFNDB8L5x SWQvaPrSUxmk79hsIMDYghqhJ/HVdVSkgJUr+3X2vvXhoCntuyBdRwMf0kIZJTS2Fum6 j6je5uxrhrLjSSgUODNnj0eEgnDPfoyF+spEA= Received: by 10.91.10.24 with SMTP id n24mr280375agi.30.1286587060841; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls722735ibg.3.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr997809ibk.15.1286587060622; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr997807ibk.15.1286587060580; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si2166777ibq.5.2010.10.08.18.17.39; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by mail-iw0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 6so1227820iwn.33 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.214.148 with SMTP id ha20mr364443icb.395.1286587059389; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 18:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100903032539.GY5990@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:17:38 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work From: Jonathan Jones To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301cc1eca5c5aa049224e408 --20cf301cc1eca5c5aa049224e408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > My point is, if something said by a second person is always treated as > > separate text, how does the mother finish her child's sentence? > > How can we be 100% sure that she intends to do it? We can't. I think > And Rosta did propose a cmavo for indicating "continuation of previous > speaker's utterance" once. You might find it in the experimental cmavo > page. > > > And since Lojban is supposed to be umambiguous, it has to be one way or > the > > other. Either a new speaker is always a new jufra, or only at the next > {.i}, > > which is my preferred reading. (Or listening.) > > A new speaker is by default a new text. Anything else is unreasonable, > since it makes your utterances dependent on things you may not have > control over. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > .i ganai da'aroi lonu ranji jufra cu pilno zo .i gi na go'i --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. 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2010/10/8 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My point is, if something said by a second person is always treated as=
> separate text, how does the mother finish her child's sentence?
How can we be 100% sure that she intends to do it? We can't. I th= ink
And Rosta did propose a cmavo for indicating "continuation of previous=
speaker's utterance" once. You might find it in the experimental c= mavo
page.

> And since Lojban is supposed to be umambiguous, it has to be one way o= r the
> other. Either a new speaker is always a new jufra, or only at the next= {.i},
> which is my preferred reading. (Or listening.)

A new speaker is by default a new text. Anything else is unreasonable= ,
since it makes your utterances dependent on things you may not have
control over.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

.i g= anai da'aroi lonu ranji jufra cu pilno zo .i gi na go'i

-- <= br>mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende p= e lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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