From bpfk-list+bncCNTPpI2KGxDkiaPmBBoElfBYhg@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 27 17:34:16 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PBGRK-0002OF-A1; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:34:15 -0700 Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42sf2024461yxe.16 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:33:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=rRetXDd5sFRgyDpBhGpYUHz6qCdf4bXLID0aZmFV+gE=; b=gzQoAXhNJQPPuaTgCJ5BrlSCAcE3BrUznX6XXYyv+wThJ3awsyLBAy7QsSYXQPMlb2 Ubum+s4ELUSjnuOPPDQARW7g7Bz1qucWFvkQs8mYW4LjMogJJRCq6os7nHxZbR4+IgIj 9CvoBwZWswifG+yQ9LZn7Gdm2K7SRHot6udK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=DgpnK8PGShxmc5Ja5E9caL7+MtoLv9aSCLnqVcX/+9oJQpbdI8A7mDm3tV9Q9/+jdK SqY8dwjZyvsHOYiutiMeairTL16501eV+mFPc/z23sKBJ7BT2PgLteikjUM2j4Go584o ngarmfLUAh7OdclWuTdQk8FxdKxxjV6IM4kFw= Received: by 10.101.125.4 with SMTP id c4mr467002ann.9.1288226020468; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls1312317ibr.2.p; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr2709881ibd.3.1288226019844; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr2709879ibd.3.1288226019800; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cm31si878496ibb.3.2010.10.27.17.33.39; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=uESSSoDEku2quKX/oFXS2Smn5+55LTFcWFr5T5T8nFs= c=1 sm=0 a=VjtRSD_9mBwA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=_YxB66Sz2opLwFTsDs4A:9 a=Cme0E6EX3ZfPe8BZJ5a-Or3DtIsA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:57280] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id AC/C8-07087-3E4C8CC4; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:33:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA796193 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] type-3 fu'ivla with different kinds of rafsi Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:33:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201010260117.28780.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201010270951.35522.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20101027174136.GD5643@mercury.ccil.org> In-Reply-To: <20101027174136.GD5643@mercury.ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010272033.35929.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 27 October 2010 13:41:36 John Cowan wrote: > > Also two > > type-3 fu'ivla formed with different rafsi of the same gismu and the same > > foreign part, such as "fiprgado" and "finprgado", should be the same > > word, > > Bah. Not worth it. I'd sooner redefine "djarspageti" as a type 4. Irrelevant. "djarspageti" does not begin with CVC, CCVC, or CVCC. I don't think "fi'ergado" should be equivalent to "finprgado"; I think it should be a type-4. I do think that "fiprgado" should be equivalent to "finprgado". > > Since one can follow the rules with CVV or CCV and get slinku'i or lujvo > > such as "sparklematsi" or "naurboi", fu'ivla beginning with CVV or CCV > > should be removed from type 3 and the rules rewritten accordingly. > > The Book already warns that the type-3 rules aren't reliable with 3-letter > rafsi. The rules are reliable with CVC rafsi, but not with CCV or CVV. A type-3 beginning with a CVC rafsi begins with CVC followed by two letters (RC) that cannot appear at the beginning of a brivla. Since a rafsi cannot begin with RC, CVCRC... is not a lujvo. Since a brivla cannot begin with CRC, CV cannot fall off. And since CVCRC does not begin with CCV, it is not a slinku'i. I think that the wording should be changed from "CCV and CVV aren't reliable" to "CCV and CVV aren't used to make type-3". Once we have fixed all the inconsistencies, of course. Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en.