From bpfk-list+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC4msjlBBoEDi-9Cg@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 10 12:00:25 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5189-0007I1-LC; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:25 -0700 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40sf651479wyb.16 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=db6K8NrtMAc4rbu34dHXed+zgK6DVVjfXvpFVflVwxM=; b=tF3kv/1R2BYTu2rK8G4yrDRymdF/5IbDdY1TeeHNIVFxwKArq3smC0A2DltRKAj2ta EriAfEFWBg/1YbfmMw+oOXjomVDjCAtgRDy/Lzvqdz1qdqT/KTdONQOhxPrZ+UllY4C7 L7Cy2YK+hwW7EyBHpAqWecOtoLg59WpdLD84M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G84nyHmPs1TQoCtw9t1O6LJUJy0DM67VyE7sfvYvic4cFcU5c5MUcjIIt4dxjWocYE pRSidRLFtjdWIgQ7AfaF2ZtiZK4fFsOModa0ErZwLpzzQrw4iM5EIQxuri+VPS54fIfX oCrAA94rRM5mJjtMtq2RKdsT9dOeGfB11OiyY= Received: by 10.216.145.130 with SMTP id p2mr829424wej.7.1286737208993; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.168.134 with SMTP id u6ls900855wby.1.p; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.3.21 with SMTP id 21mr218093wbl.1.1286737208226; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.3.21 with SMTP id 21mr218092wbl.1.1286737208202; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a37si2538848wba.3.2010.10.10.12.00.07; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so3283334wwb.35 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.58.82 with SMTP id f18mr1829758wbh.12.1286737206935; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 12:00:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CB20ADF.6050500@lojban.org> References: <4CB0B239.50107@lojban.org> <4CB1F3EA.5000608@lojban.org> <4CB20ADF.6050500@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:00:06 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Robert LeChevalier wro= te: > Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> The two texts ".i mi gleki" and ".i go'i ra'o" >> cannot be concatenated into one text without loss of meaning. The >> single text ".i mi gleki .i go'i ra'o" does not have the same meaning >> as the exchange of texts ".i mi gleki", ".i go'i ra'o". > > That is because the word ra'o has metalinguistic effect that overrides th= e > textual concatenation. Nonsense, but forget about "ra'o" if you want. The two texts ".i mi gleki", ".i mi gleki" have a different meaning than the concatenated text ".i mi gleki .i mi gleki". > If I ask =A0"ma klama" > > and you answer "mi", then we need at least a convention/protocol to know > whether that means the unbroken text "ma klama mi" =A0or "ma klama [.i] m= i > [go'i]". =A0If the default is endless unbroken text (until an explicit fa= 'o, > .i, or ni'o), then in most actual Lojban usage, the sumti that occur befo= re > a selbri would be understood as appending onto the end of the last bridi > spoken by the prior speaker. But that has never been the default! Read your lessons, you don't need to read any "modern" inventions. The default is that a new speaker starts a new text. > We probably don't want that because in actual usage, people have NOT > typically started their conversation turns with .i or ni'o. Of course not, because it has never been the case that all speakers speak one single text as default. >=A0The solution > has to be metalinguistic; generally an implicit default protocol with > explicit ways to override that default, which is why I suggested using > either SEI or COI constructs. I hope you see now why SEI or COI, or any other selma'o, won't work. The (formal grammar) parser cannot choose which text to parse. The selection of the text has to be made by a pre-parser. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. 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