From bpfk-list+bncCMHEmaCOBhCGwsjlBBoElxECHg@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 10 13:24:53 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P52Ru-00042b-9B; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:53 -0700 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9sf2667453gxk.16 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Aki/8YWQ46Xp6qra9zQjsWQ+D2sUXWqawp4C9OtrJ70=; b=OOEtqAceuWKCuHMIAmSZ7dgI5HVkKS3GMgHeXGKt0GRl08rMQozl4i+5xEBbVMkMDE 9qIwqC6hPVLL/4rUr+tLtb6YOAIo/nrGHKK3BIGSGDx4Bzl8YKT6I08pmI+3F4icohgm v0pOghuFDfN+LokTBBXPCWLtG45qrgQI3UEHQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EUkLesJM6ckqUfTG4uiefvlEKGMQCNkTwW/hwfblJg8ND63uerK9NLXaNzHjsY33u9 GIB4NmCg45c1m3+D9aR3WBpr8+/mTJactdMVfdVXzfNsfobez2HG8B8kiauziaFz1KME jhnfEu1y7sXRB8IVRsz3O1ECls8zqWIsHsZNE= Received: by 10.91.108.5 with SMTP id k5mr375439agm.47.1286742278843; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls1397987ibr.2.p; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.82 with SMTP id q18mr1351546ibx.11.1286742278517; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.82 with SMTP id q18mr1351544ibx.11.1286742278473; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f176.google.com (mail-iw0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cm31si3868837ibb.7.2010.10.10.13.24.37; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.176; Received: by mail-iw0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 3so4007164iwn.35 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.167.67 with SMTP id p3mr4060528iby.20.1286742277239; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4CB0B239.50107@lojban.org> <4CB1F3EA.5000608@lojban.org> <4CB20ADF.6050500@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:24:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work From: Jonathan Jones To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a7a55a333c04924908a2 --001636c5a7a55a333c04924908a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Robert LeChevalier > > wrote: > >> > >> ...[P]eople have NOT typically started their conversation turns with .= i > or > >> ni'o.... > > > > I consider that a really bad practice, and I myself, except possibly on > > extremely rare occasions, always begin with {.i}. > > And presumably you should begin every turn of your conversations with > ".i mi'e .aionys." Otherwise, you can't use "mi" because in the text > you are expanding it (not your own text) "mi" already refers to a > different person. But I don't think I have noticed you doing that. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > No, I don't do that, and considering that {mi} means "the speaker(s)", it's always obvious that {mi} is referring to me when I'm speaking. Whether or not others are also being referred to with {mi}, that's something I leave u= p to context. If I wish to explicitly indicate that my use of {mi} includes others besides myself, I probably would, in that case, begin with {.i mi'e [the referents of mi]}, and refer to myself in the third person when I am referring to only myself during that conversation. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. 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2010/10/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas &l= t;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> ...[P]eople have NOT typically started the= ir conversation turns with .i or
>> ni'o....
>
> I consider that a really bad practice, and I myself, except possibly o= n
> extremely rare occasions, always begin with {.i}.

And presumably you should begin every turn of your conversations with=
".i mi'e .aionys." Otherwise, you can't use "mi"= ; because in the text
you are expanding it (not your own text) "mi" already refers to a=
different person. But I don't think I have noticed you doing that.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

No, I don't do tha= t, and considering that {mi} means "the speaker(s)", it's alw= ays obvious that {mi} is referring to me when I'm speaking. Whether or = not others are also being referred to with {mi}, that's something I lea= ve up to context. If I wish to explicitly indicate that my use of {mi} incl= udes others besides myself, I probably would, in that case, begin with {.i = mi'e [the referents of mi]}, and refer to myself in the third person wh= en I am referring to only myself during that conversation.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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