From bpfk-list+bncCN673cmqFBCE5sjlBBoEZ0y9PQ@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 10 14:41:39 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P53eC-0007fT-AE; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:41:39 -0700 Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9sf2676778gxk.16 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:41:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Qz4VYd+9NDkhuimRcOq4ugw9YPCyM6CRuhA/fyz2MhM=; b=eON9kpqFfBLeftPM7aGP+zdN8tYP7CfpKnHD+P+j8UTGSTS+7Kd+OzAr318zDUlSBw lWRk8YejGwWi3gVa8vp+w+i30LjZCvRs66AFXdB6bO+ettCiLXZMf6/2M0ggX+mDfwz4 sQ3mvWYAAT5o1wcZWq6HiJgcHoswbV06He88Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ICV28A46QFbZ6yLUPDmbpkvQVUnqIUfPdBQQtJhgjb4MIurO8wbo6WdtQuZUUe4KJo S3YTxckZdtneg/9t1nWlLeXHrIHYpDU5YsAig2EymHc8axahcafkjMy3uHLDmTKEj28c k+CntvdEJjgTiU9tpoitZleAmQ6516P0vzmxQ= Received: by 10.150.248.4 with SMTP id v4mr293431ybh.82.1286746884648; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.1.17 with SMTP id 17ls1030232yba.0.p; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.160.19 with SMTP id i19mr1192547ybe.49.1286746884445; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.160.19 with SMTP id i19mr1192546ybe.49.1286746884417; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q8si2806345ybk.0.2010.10.10.14.41.24; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.8; Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101010214124.UWFF5729.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:41:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id H9hP1f00F3Xcbvq029hP3M; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:41:23 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=zpAh8NT9SzMisnlzmt6xnbL/Bv7XoKhaPoxN5FSWxDQ= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=5-xrXDZBReF8DLhCGCgA:9 a=PotcWQkY3Z_7yctyBZRGcEO1dLwA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4CB2335F.7000606@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:42:55 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work References: <4CB0B239.50107@lojban.org> <4CB1F3EA.5000608@lojban.org> <4CB20ADF.6050500@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : >=20 >>Also, if you remember, my pragmatic decision as to whether a new speaker = =3D a >>new text is determined by whether the new speaker begins with {.i} or >>{ni'o}, i.e. it is a continuation if not, and a next text if so., >=20 >=20 > What does that buy you? What advantage do you see in treating the > utterances produced by different speakers in a conversation as if they > were a single text? >=20 > I see the disadvantages (you lose the information that a text has a > speaker which is referred to as "mi" in the text and an audience which > is referred to as "do" in the text), but I still can't see the > advantages. What are the advantages of treating the whole conversation > as one text? Syntactically, only that it takes one pass through the parser rather=20 than many. Pragmatically, while "mi" and "do" change their meanings with time (as=20 do ri, ra, di'u etc), most referents hold their value regardless of=20 time, speaker, etc. Any semantic analysis has to treat them as a single=20 text. Otherwise, somewhat-ambiguous semantics become unintelligible=20 semantics. lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. 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