From bpfk-list+bncCN673cmqFBCQ8MjlBBoEJTRGbA@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 10 15:03:13 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P53z3-00005q-3K; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:03:12 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf2671817gya.16 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:03:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sCmrEqRaBzCXCwm/+27e/jltJFJ1SWKHbcXczyqSNQM=; b=ctJsUui5vX8OlnfbWNvvOeA/qNfRnvQ0fwZAJMSkLDWWkd5SnegBArv1QlELNm0brz HGxCZG4iWjZct5IK4a/fV5yrVDRoV120P0Rb6D4L/+JANRv3Qry4zK6kNYCU9sTHckku 8PGTD0H9Akkx0gWuMKCn6rAY+C9yeMFyzAcvc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nVYFr2oFuA/RVsPNH1iuI4OaJwOB2g6LzwGLvl7A2QP9Eii7vtHYPZXVVrwwuPCd1S DstlaW2lCGNVaHZH77PwrDeiCo+GkkmUcdwlNh1pBCY7NGD2Ma0/9NBrTLYkP4NA0ieG fEAqutQU4DFt1cSPut9dAawbUtDqOC0LmRbGI= Received: by 10.150.73.31 with SMTP id v31mr465343yba.50.1286748176747; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.1.17 with SMTP id 17ls1032929yba.0.p; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.109.171 with SMTP id s31mr1452147yhg.7.1286748176516; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.109.171 with SMTP id s31mr1452146yhg.7.1286748176487; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t73si17573yhf.14.2010.10.10.15.02.56; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 15:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.47; Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101010220255.WEAY14030.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:02:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id HA2v1f00L3Xcbvq02A2vut; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:02:56 -0400 X-VR-Score: -180.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Of5FRk7D4fcJlrWbzxPvWNsT1UhKEYt7m7ky24PLP4c= c=1 sm=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=-3SS1EjvtKIONEzZJ6MA:9 a=BtQuBvyefGWkkpMud1cA:7 a=WSNGiDGIWaJny_EUHPoR8afJ9-4A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dxBpO5_FDU0A:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4CB2386E.2000301@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:04:30 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bpfk] BPFK work References: <4CB0B239.50107@lojban.org> <4CB1F3EA.5000608@lojban.org> <4CB20ADF.6050500@lojban.org> <4CB223F7.1060402@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.47 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Robert LeChevalier w= rote: >=20 >>The problem I thought was being discussed was how to identify something a= s >>syntactically part of someone else's text. >=20 >=20 > You seemed to be arguing that that was the case by default, and you > needed a FAhO to break that default, which is contrary to everything I > have ever learned about Lojban. >=20 > Let me put it this way: >=20 > A: (something that parses correctly on its own) > B: (something that parses correctly on its own) >=20 > My default assumption is that what A said is one text, and what B said > is another text. In some special cases, B may be adding something to > A's text, but normally they are just responding to A's text with their > own new text. >=20 > That's the Lojban I have learned starting from your lessons. Is that > not your current understanding too? It is my understanding that this is current usage. You have convinced=20 me that even as early as the draft lessons, we omitted the .i. I have=20 found examples in TLI Loglan where the same was done. On the other=20 hand, I distinctly recall the issue coming up in the early days. JL7 (1988) has a conversation in which each exchange has an explicitly=20 marked as optionally omitted ".i" at the beginning. Look in the section=20 "A Very Short Introduction to Lojban Grammar". It was understood that=20 the continuation ".i" was there even if not explicit (there are other=20 sample conversations in the same newsletter that do not have the=20 explicit ".i", so I suspect that we just stopped teaching it because=20 everyone (until now) understood that exchanges were continuations. lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.