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An allowed variant of Lojban “e”. This sound is not found in English, but is the Spanish “e”, or the tense “e” of Italian. The vowel of English “say” is similar except for the off-glide: you can learn to make this sound by holding your tongue steady while saying the first part of the English vowel.
[ə]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban “y”. As in the “a” of English “sofa” or “about”. Schwa is generally unstressed in Lojban, as it is in English. It is a totally relaxed sound made with the tongue in the middle of the mouth.
[f]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban “f”. As in “fee”, “loafer”, or “chef”.
[ɸ]
An allowed variant of Lojban “f”. Not an English sound; the Japanese “f” sound.
[g]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban “g”. As in English “go”, “eagle”, or “dog”.
[h]
-
The preferred pronunciation of the Lojban apostrophe sound. As in English “aha” or “oh, hello”.
+
The preferred pronunciation of the Lojban apostrophe sound. As in English “aha” or the second "h" in “oh, hello”.
[i]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban “i”. Essentially like the English vowel of “pizza” or “machine”, although the English vowel is sometimes pronounced with an off-glide, which should not be present in Lojban.
[ɪ]
A possible Lojban buffer vowel. The “i” of English “bit”.
[ɨ]
A possible Lojban buffer vowel. The “u” of “just” in some varieties of GA, those which make the word sound more or less like “jist”. Also Russian “y” as in “byt'” (to be); like a schwa [ə], but higher in the mouth.
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An allowed variant of Lojban =E2=80=9Ce=E2=80=9D. This sound is not fo= und in English, but is the Spanish =E2=80=9Ce=E2=80=9D, or the tense =E2=80= =9Ce=E2=80=9D of Italian. The vowel of English =E2=80=9Csay=E2=80=9D is sim= ilar except for the off-glide: you can learn to make this sound by holding = your tongue steady while saying the first part of the English vowel.
[=C9=99]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D. As in the = =E2=80=9Ca=E2=80=9D of English =E2=80=9Csofa=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cabout=E2= =80=9D. Schwa is generally unstressed in Lojban, as it is in English. It is= a totally relaxed sound made with the tongue in the middle of the mouth.
[f]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cf=E2=80=9D. As in =E2= =80=9Cfee=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cloafer=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cchef=E2=80=9D.
[=C9=B8]
An allowed variant of Lojban =E2=80=9Cf=E2=80=9D. Not an English sound= ; the Japanese =E2=80=9Cf=E2=80=9D sound.
[g]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cg=E2=80=9D. As in Engli= sh =E2=80=9Cgo=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ceagle=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cdog=E2=80=9D.=
[h]
-
The preferred pronunciation of the Lojban apostrophe sound. As in Engl= ish =E2=80=9Caha=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Coh, hello=E2=80=9D.
+
The preferred pronunciation of the Lojban apostrophe sound. As in Engl= ish =E2=80=9Caha=E2=80=9D or the second "h" in =E2=80=9Coh, hello=E2=80=9D.=
[i]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Ci=E2=80=9D. Essentially= like the English vowel of =E2=80=9Cpizza=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cmachine=E2= =80=9D, although the English vowel is sometimes pronounced with an off-glid= e, which should not be present in Lojban.
[=C9=AA]
A possible Lojban buffer vowel. The =E2=80=9Ci=E2=80=9D of English =E2= =80=9Cbit=E2=80=9D.
[=C9=A8]
A possible Lojban buffer vowel. The =E2=80=9Cu=E2=80=9D of =E2=80=9Cju= st=E2=80=9D in some varieties of GA, those which make the word sound more o= r less like =E2=80=9Cjist=E2=80=9D. Also Russian =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D as in = =E2=80=9Cbyt'=E2=80=9D (to be); like a schwa [=C9=99], but higher in the mouth.
[j]
Used in Lojban diphthongs beginning or ending with =E2=80=9Ci=E2=80=9D= . Like the =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D in English =E2=80=9Cyard=E2=80=9D or =E2=80= =9Csay=E2=80=9D.
[k]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Ck=E2=80=9D. As in Engli= sh =E2=80=9Ckill=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ctoken=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cflak=E2=80= =9D.
@@ -76,21 +76,21 @@
[m]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cm=E2=80=9D. As in Engli= sh =E2=80=9Cme=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Chumor=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cham=E2=80=9D.=
[m=CC=A9]
The syllabic version of Lojban =E2=80=9Cm=E2=80=9D. As in English =E2= =80=9Ccatch =E2=80=99em=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cbottom=E2=80=9D.
[n]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cn=E2=80=9D. As in Engli= sh =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Chonor=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cson=E2=80=9D.=
[n=CC=A9]
The syllabic version of Lojban =E2=80=9Cn=E2=80=9D. As in English =E2= =80=9Cbutton=E2=80=9D.
[=C5=8B]
An allowed variant of Lojban =E2=80=9Cn=E2=80=9D, especially in Lojban= ized names and before =E2=80=9Cg=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Ck=E2=80=9D. As in Eng= lish =E2=80=9Csing=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Csinger=E2=80=9D (but not =E2=80=9Cf= inger=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cdanger=E2=80=9D).
-
[=C5=8B=CC=A9]
+
[=C5=8B=CC=8D]
An allowed variant of Lojban syllabic =E2=80=9Cn=E2=80=9D, especially = in Lojbanized names.
[o]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D. As in the F= rench =E2=80=9Chaute (cuisine)=E2=80=9D or Spanish =E2=80=9Ccomo=E2=80=9D. = There is no exact English equivalent of this sound. The nearest GA equivale= nt is the =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D of =E2=80=9Cdough=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cjoke= =E2=80=9D, but it is essential that the off-glide (a [w]= -like sound) at the end of the vowel is not pronounced when speaking= Lojban. The RP sound in these words is [=C9=99w]= in IPA terms, and has no [o] in it at all; unles= s you can speak with a Scots, Irish, or American accent, you may have troub= le with this sound.
[=C9=94]
An allowed variant of Lojban =E2=80=9Co=E2=80=9D, especially before = =E2=80=9Cr=E2=80=9D. This sound is a shortened form of the =E2=80=9Caw=E2= =80=9D in GA =E2=80=9Cdawn=E2=80=9D (for those people who don=E2=80=99t pro= nounce =E2=80=9Cdawn=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=9D alike; if you do, y= ou may have trouble with this sound). In RP, but not GA, it is the =E2=80= =9Co=E2=80=9D of =E2=80=9Chot=E2=80=9D.
[p]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cp=E2=80=9D. As in Engli= sh =E2=80=9Cpay=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Csuper=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cup=E2=80=9D.=
[r]
One version of Lojban =E2=80=9Cr=E2=80=9D. Not an English sound. The S= panish =E2=80=9Crr=E2=80=9D and the Scots =E2=80=9Cr=E2=80=9D, a tongue-tip= trill.
[=C9=B9]
@@ -99,21 +99,21 @@
One version of Lojban =E2=80=9Cr=E2=80=9D. In GA, appears as a variant= of =E2=80=9Ct=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cd=E2=80=9D in the words =E2=80=9Cmetal= =E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cmedal=E2=80=9D respectively. A tongue-tip flap.
[=CA=80]
One version of Lojban =E2=80=9Cr=E2=80=9D. Not an English sound. The F= rench or German =E2=80=9Cr=E2=80=9D in =E2=80=9Creine=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9C= rot=E2=80=9D respectively. A uvular trill.
[r=CC=A9], [=C9=B9=CC=A9]= , [=C9=BE=CC=A9], [=CA= =80=CC=A9]
are syllabic versions of the above. [=C9=B9=CC=A9]<= /span> appears in the GA (but not RP) pronunciation of =E2=80=9Cbird=E2=80= =9D.
[s]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D. As in Engli= sh =E2=80=9Cso=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cbasin=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cyes=E2=80=9D.=
[=CA=83]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cc=E2=80=9D. The =E2=80= =9Csh=E2=80=9D of English =E2=80=9Cship=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cashen=E2=80=9D, = or =E2=80=9Cdish=E2=80=9D.
[=CA=82]
-
An allowed variant of Lojban =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D. Not an English sound= . The Hindi retroflex =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D with underdot, or Klingon =E2=80= =9CS=E2=80=9D.
+
An allowed variant of Lojban =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D. Not an English sound= . The Hindi retroflex =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D with dot below, or Klingon =E2=80= =9CS=E2=80=9D.
[t]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Ct=E2=80=9D. As in Engli= sh =E2=80=9Ctea=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Clater=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Cnot=E2=80=9D= . It is important to avoid the GA habit of pronouncing the =E2=80=9Ct=E2=80= =9D between vowels as [d] or [= =C9=BE].
[=CE=B8]
Not normally a Lojban sound, but a possible variant of Lojban =E2=80= =9C'=E2=80=9D. The =E2=80=9Cth=E2=80=9D of English =E2=80=9Cthin=E2=80=9D (= but not =E2=80=9Cthen=E2=80=9D).
[v]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cv=E2=80=9D. As in Engli= sh =E2=80=9Cvoice=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Csavor=E2=80=9D, or =E2=80=9Clive=E2=80= =9D.
[w]
Used in Lojban diphthongs beginning or ending with =E2=80=9Cu=E2=80=9D= . Like the =E2=80=9Cw=E2=80=9D in English =E2=80=9Cwet=E2=80=9D [w=C9=9Bt] or =E2=80=9Ccow=E2=80=9D [k=C9= =91w].
[x]
The preferred pronunciation of Lojban =E2=80=9Cx=E2=80=9D. Not normall= y an English sound, but used in some pronunciations of =E2=80=9Cloch=E2=80= =9D and =E2=80=9CBach=E2=80=9D; =E2=80=9Cgh=E2=80=9D in Scots =E2=80=9Cmigh= t=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cnight=E2=80=9D. The German =E2=80=9CAch-Laut=E2=80= =9D. To pronounce [x], force air through your thr= oat without vibrating your vocal chords; there should be lots of scrape. diff --git a/3/12/index.html b/3/12/index.html index 40caf53..3e26103 100644 --- a/3/12/index.html +++ b/3/12/index.html @@ -19,21 +19,21 @@
Introductory
The Hills Are Alive With The Sounds Of Lojb= an

12. Oddball Orthographies

The following notes describe ways in which Lojban has been written or c= ould be written that differ from the standard orthography explained in the = rest of this chapter. Nobody needs to read this section except people with = an interest in the obscure. Technicalities are used without explanation or = further apology.

-

There exists an alternative orthography for Lojban, which is designed t= o be as compatible as possible (but no more so) with the authority used in = pre-Lojban versions of Loglan. The consonants undergo no change, except tha= t =E2=80=9Cx=E2=80=9D is replaced by =E2=80=9Ch=E2=80=9D. The individual vo= wels likewise remain unchanged. However, the vowel pairs and diphthongs are= changed as follows:

+

There exists an alternative orthography for Lojban, which is designed t= o be as compatible as possible (but no more so) with the orthography used i= n pre-Lojban versions of Loglan. The consonants undergo no change, except t= hat =E2=80=9Cx=E2=80=9D is replaced by =E2=80=9Ch=E2=80=9D. The individual = vowels likewise remain unchanged. However, the vowel pairs and diphthongs a= re changed as follows:

  • =E2=80=9Cai=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cei=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Coi=E2=80=9D, =E2= =80=9Cau=E2=80=9D become =E2=80=9Cai=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cei=E2=80=9D, =E2=80= =9Coi=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cao=E2=80=9D.
  • =E2=80=9Cia=E2=80=9D through =E2=80=9Ciu=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cua=E2= =80=9D through =E2=80=9Cuu=E2=80=9D remain unchanged.
  • =E2=80=9Ca'i=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ce'i=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Co'i=E2=80=9D an= d =E2=80=9Ca'o=E2=80=9D become =E2=80=9Ca,i=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ce,i=E2=80=9D= , =E2=80=9Co,i=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ca,o=E2=80=9D.
  • =E2=80=9Ci'a=E2=80=9D through =E2=80=9Ci'u=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cu'a= =E2=80=9D through =E2=80=9Cu'u=E2=80=9D are changed to =E2=80=9Cia=E2=80=9D= through =E2=80=9Ciu=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cua=E2=80=9D through =E2=80=9Cuu= =E2=80=9D in lujvo and cmavo other than attitudinals, but become =E2=80=9Ci= ,a=E2=80=9D through =E2=80=9Ci,u=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cu,a=E2=80=9D through= =E2=80=9Cu,u=E2=80=9D in names, fu'ivla, and attitudinal cmavo.
  • All other vowel pairs simply drop the apostrophe.

The result of these rules is to eliminate the apostrophe altogether, re= placing it with comma where necessary, and otherwise with nothing. In addit= ion, names and the cmavo =E2=80=9C.i=E2=80=9D are capitalized, and irregula= r stress is marked with an apostrophe (now no longer used for a sound) foll= owing the stressed syllable.

Three points must be emphasized about this alternative orthography:

    @@ -51,21 +51,21 @@ - thule f formen c harma x hwesta - anto v ampa j anca - unque n numen m malta - noldo - nwalme r ore u vala i anna - vilya The letters =E2=80=9Cvala=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Canna=E2=80=9D are used for= =E2=80=9Cu=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ci=E2=80=9D only when those letters are us= ed to represent glides. Of the additional letters, =E2=80=9Cr=E2=80=9D, =E2= =80=9Cl=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D, and =E2=80=9Cz=E2=80=9D are written = with =E2=80=9Cr=C3=B3men=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Clambe=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Csilme= =E2=80=9D, and =E2=80=9C=C3=A1re=E2=80=9D/=E2=80=9Cesse=E2=80=9D respective= ly; the inverted forms are used as free variants. -

    Lojban, like Quenya, is a vowel-last language, so tehtar are read as fo= llowing the tengwar on which they are placed. The conventional tehtar are u= sed for the five regular vowels, and the under-dot for =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D.= The Lojban apostrophe is represented by =E2=80=9Challa=E2=80=9D. There is = no equivalent of the Lojban comma or period.

    +

    Lojban, like Quenya, is a vowel-last language, so tehtar are read as fo= llowing the tengwar on which they are placed. The conventional tehtar are u= sed for the five regular vowels, and the dot below for =E2=80=9Cy=E2=80=9D.= The Lojban apostrophe is represented by =E2=80=9Challa=E2=80=9D. There is = no equivalent of the Lojban comma or period.