From bpfk-list+bncCAAQh53i5gQaBBeRzhA@googlegroups.com Mon Nov 08 15:58:15 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFbbI-0005bE-3C; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:58:15 -0800 Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28sf7090614gxk.16 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:58:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:x-beenthere:received :received:received:received:received:received-spf:received:received :received:date:message-id:to:subject:from:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=s4ruGRCBBqwNQ7o+iZin7+f4KCv8jPLjRYbHqs3RROU=; b=BcGgLe0BclBo67GWzq2q+zAla/QiTf1XN7TgydiGpODKWSfWGoejWZgpLcrjrc7FOR 42+p6nvjThbPbLprsVqG9nELfDfu2v0ytn27k2VgzQQmITPyN60WjS6v31HFJEQJiKMW d587SbtUU5F46uxtACQHY5wAhn6Ve2vE4bc9c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:message-id:to:subject :from:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=j2gfdiXJbmBD2HSePI1ITtDwCoMdnfbibd7UIGNWiPQjjoaoXSa6GqQycEcRA6h0xx r0bqwyRObjmIH6hcEEwOKTMilBuNIfd2m+TPvJSivCxIl5tc+49sDyvOzy5npZQRC5lW 4FikFncFfCsMWOPmW0g8mj/BfibuUZgvePZFc= Received: by 10.151.135.12 with SMTP id m12mr652185ybn.11.1289260679980; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:57:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.85.5 with SMTP id n5ls3402558ybl.2.p; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.154.15 with SMTP id g15mr1800626ybo.46.1289260679732; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.221.10 with SMTP id t10mr4236421wfg.63.1289258475153; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.221.10 with SMTP id t10mr4236420wfg.63.1289258475126; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si11750508wfo.4.2010.11.08.15.21.14; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFb1W-0005PL-EG for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:21:14 -0800 Received: from 128-177-28-49.ip.openhosting.com ([128.177.28.49] helo=oh-www1.lojban.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PFb1S-0005PC-PW for bpfk@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:21:14 -0800 Received: from www-data by oh-www1.lojban.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PFb1N-000824-OJ for bpfk@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:21:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:21:05 -0500 Message-Id: To: bpfk@lojban.org Subject: [bpfk] dag-cll git updates for Mon Nov 8 18:21:05 EST 2010 From: www-data X-Original-Sender: www-data@oh-www1.lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable commit 245a9c2d408261cb89eaf56ab70d10ff0230261f Author: Robin Lee Powell Date: Mon Nov 8 14:37:57 2010 -0800 Just a comment. diff --git a/4/7/index.html b/4/7/index.html index 6590d24..7310fb9 100644 --- a/4/7/index.html +++ b/4/7/index.html @@ -91,20 +91,25 @@ where =E2=80=9Ccirl-=E2=80=9D represents =E2=80=9Ccirla= =E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9Ccheese=E2=80=9D). where =E2=80=9Csinc-=E2=80=9D represents =E2=80=9Csince=E2=80=9D (=E2=80= =9Csnake=E2=80=9D). 
 7.7)   quark
        kuark (Lojbanize)
        kuarka (add final vowel)
        sask,r,kuarka (prefix rafsi)
where =E2=80=9Csask-=E2=80=9D represents =E2=80=9Csaske=E2=80=9D (=E2=80= =9Cscience=E2=80=9D). Note the extra vowel =E2=80=9Ca=E2=80=9D added to the= end of the word, and the diphthong =E2=80=9Cua=E2=80=9D, which never appea= rs in gismu or lujvo, but may appear in fu'ivla. 
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 7.8)   =EC=9E=90=EB=AA=A8 (from Korean)
        djamo (Lojbanize)
        lerf,r,djamo (prefix rafsi)
        ler,l,djamo (prefix rafsi)
where =E2=80=9Cler-=E2=80=9D represents =E2=80=9Clerfu=E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9C= letter=E2=80=9D). Note the l-hyphen in "lerldjamo", since "lerndjamo" conta= ins the forbidden cluster "ndj".

The use of the prefix helps distinguish among the many possible meaning= s of the borrowed word, depending on the field. As it happens, =E2=80=9Cspa= geti=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ckuarka=E2=80=9D are valid Stage 4 fu'ivla, but = =E2=80=9Cxaceru=E2=80=9D looks like a compound cmavo, and =E2=80=9Ckobra=E2= =80=9D like a gismu.

For another example, =E2=80=9Cintegral=E2=80=9D has a specific meaning = to a mathematician. But the Lojban fu'ivla =E2=80=9Cintegrale=E2=80=9D, whi= ch is a valid Stage 4 fu'ivla, does not convey that mathematical sense to a= non-mathematical listener, even one with an English-speaking background; i= ts source =E2=80=94 the English word =E2=80=9Cintegral=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 h= as various other specialized meanings in other fields.

Left uncontrolled, =E2=80=9Cintegrale=E2=80=9D almost certainly would e= ventually come to mean the same collection of loosely related concepts that= English associates with =E2=80=9Cintegral=E2=80=9D, with only the context = to indicate (possibly) that the mathematical term is meant.

The prefix method would render the mathematical concept as =E2=80=9Ccma= crntegrale=E2=80=9D, if the =E2=80=9Ci=E2=80=9D of =E2=80=9Cintegrale=E2=80= =9D is removed, or something like =E2=80=9Ccmacrnintegrale=E2=80=9D, if a n= ew consonant is added to the beginning; =E2=80=9Ccmac-=E2=80=9D is the rafs= i for =E2=80=9Ccmaci=E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9Cmathematics=E2=80=9D). The architec= tural sense of =E2=80=9Cintegral=E2=80=9D might be conveyed with =E2=80=9Cd= jinrnintegrale=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Ctarmrnintegrale=E2=80=9D, where =E2=80= =9Cdinju=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctarmi=E2=80=9D mean =E2=80=9Cbuilding=E2=80= =9D and =E2=80=9Cform=E2=80=9D respectively.

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