From bpfk-list+bncCIXohuTaHxCcwNvnBBoEco5G5g@googlegroups.com Wed Dec 01 15:54:21 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNwV7-0000ov-16; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:21 -0800 Received: by pwi2 with SMTP id 2sf2728254pwi.16 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :received:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sxiiR/q5d9ahqoVlprRp1/XTPWLCYMlJdXdahyEjQgo=; b=XA+yBI+cFeoZcERwqMVHzfX6jNhGHRMSDq52l/tRg1Zf0LkUdUxK7XtpTLfZeg539J 5sEYDoeFEZXTd5xz2+mkYASKH1Lr8Je2kUeJcJG9QqvDwx7bZaNvUWVrmVqlEH66uI1n RluZCsuSOgMbCI6Wn8VkymgNUJjEsGLpBF8ZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qsF5H2sEYckB4+RkvQX1hfndtlwn9ne44CaSiK7lwfnagMQuUqW5UGiAIkioFnuOTv 5tV9z2SIBTbgHyCLKiwrE17IpTbUGfDUETnPf0KkcbY43FpTOtOt+L7EUfBT66WCN4mm uX0YHAixs12/Z7/4zaaQiM/rNT1DiDH4IOKcg= Received: by 10.142.56.11 with SMTP id e11mr409995wfa.23.1291247644940; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.78.15 with SMTP id a15ls12406263wfb.2.p; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.192.21 with SMTP id p21mr6217125wff.55.1291247644156; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.192.21 with SMTP id p21mr6217124wff.55.1291247644128; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id p40si572546wfc.2.2010.12.01.15.54.02; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNwUs-0000n0-6H for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:02 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.214.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PNwUm-0000mS-Cl for bpfk@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:54:01 -0800 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so17148745bwz.40 for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:53:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.118.209 with SMTP id w17mr2265428bkq.107.1291247633901; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.10.72 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:53:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101201070302.GL27025@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101126231924.GX9301@digitalkingdom.org> <20101201070302.GL27025@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:53:53 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bpfk] The powers you give me I will lay down when this crisis has been abated! From: Matt Arnold To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com, bpfk@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hear, hear. This project must become a doer-ocracy. You're willing to do the work, and trusted to do the work. This is a great turning point for Lojban. -Eppcott On 11/30/10, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Ah, forgot to mention: the subject (and the quote) are a joke; I > ain't layin' down *shit*. :) Oust me if I suck, until then, I'ma > work my ass off. > > -Robin > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 03:19:24PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >> "It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I >> love democracy. I love the Republic. The powers you give me I will >> lay down when this crisis has been abated! My first act, with this >> new authority, is to create a Grand Army of the Republic, to >> counter the increasing threat of the Separatists." >> >> --Palpatine announces the creation of the Grand Army of the >> Republic >> >> I just thought I should be clear: it *is*, in fact, my intention to >> put arbitrary amounts of work into cleaning everything up entirely >> by personal fiat. Y'all can oust me when it's done if you like. :) >> See my "what I'm going to do" post from a while back, but with less >> community input. :) >> >> -Robin >> >> ----- Forwarded message from Jorge Llamb=EDas ---= -- >> >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:27:49 -0300 >> From: Jorge Llamb=EDas >> To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [bpfk] What I'm going to do. >> >> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:28:32AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> >> >> Every January 1st. the BPFK publishes a very concise "State of the >> >> Language" report, that looks something like this: >> > >> > Works for me. You gonna tell them about your other idea? :D >> >> As you pointed out, the BPFK currently has a very informal structure. >> The only structured part for now is the jatna position. Therefore, >> until another structure develops, the yearly "State of the Language" >> report will be issued by the jatna in the name of the BPFK, with the >> final decision on its contents fully at the jatna's discretion. >> >> Of course we all expect and know that the jatna will take the job >> seriously and make whatever consultations they deem necessary before >> acting, but the final decision is the jatna's alone. They might for >> example prepare a draft report two weeks before January 1st, ask for >> comments, and then make their decision based on the feedback they >> receive, or whatever other method they find suitable to prepare the >> report. The report is about the "State of the Language", not about the >> "Final Definition of the Language from Here to Eternity", so there's >> no reason to worry if it's not perfect in every minor detail. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "BPFK" group. >> To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=3Den. >> >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> ----- Forwarded message from Arnt Richard Johansen ----- >> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:24:10 +0200 >> From: Arnt Richard Johansen >> To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [bpfk] What I'm going to do. >> >> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 04:27:49PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> > wrote: >> > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:28:32AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Every January 1st. the BPFK publishes a very concise "State of the >> > >> Language" report, that looks something like this: >> > > >> > > Works for me. You gonna tell them about your other idea? :D >> > >> > As you pointed out, the BPFK currently has a very informal structure. >> > The only structured part for now is the jatna position. Therefore, >> > until another structure develops, the yearly "State of the Language" >> > report will be issued by the jatna in the name of the BPFK, with the >> > final decision on its contents fully at the jatna's discretion. >> > >> > Of course we all expect and know that the jatna will take the job >> > seriously and make whatever consultations they deem necessary before >> > acting, but the final decision is the jatna's alone. They might for >> > example prepare a draft report two weeks before January 1st, ask for >> > comments, and then make their decision based on the feedback they >> > receive, or whatever other method they find suitable to prepare the >> > report. The report is about the "State of the Language", not about the >> > "Final Definition of the Language from Here to Eternity", so there's >> > no reason to worry if it's not perfect in every minor detail. >> >> That sounds like the right way of going about things. There is of course >> the slight risk that a rogue BPFKJ might do something reckless, but in a= ny >> case they do not wield _absolute_ power - they report to the LLG, which >> can remove them, and revert their changes. >> >> It is better to have a decision that stands unless a majority of the >> members are dissatisfied enough to reverse it, than to not have a decisi= on >> at all unless everyone agrees. >> >> -- >> Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ >> Public Notice as Required by Law: Any Use of This Product, in Any >> Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the >> Universe. Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Consumer Is >> Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the >> Universe. --Susan Hewitt and Edward Subitzky >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "BPFK" group. >> To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=3Den. >> >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> ----- Forwarded message from bancus ----- >> >> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:44:41 -0700 (PDT) >> From: bancus >> To: BPFK >> Subject: [bpfk] Re: What I'm going to do. >> >> On Oct 16, 12:27 pm, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> > As you pointed out, the BPFK currently has a very informal structure. >> > The only structured part for now is the jatna position. Therefore, >> > until another structure develops, the yearly "State of the Language" >> > report will be issued by the jatna in the name of the BPFK, with the >> > final decision on its contents fully at the jatna's discretion. >> > >> > Of course we all expect and know that the jatna will take the job >> > seriously and make whatever consultations they deem necessary before >> > acting, but the final decision is the jatna's alone. They might for >> > example prepare a draft report two weeks before January 1st, ask for >> > comments, and then make their decision based on the feedback they >> > receive, or whatever other method they find suitable to prepare the >> > report. The report is about the "State of the Language", not about the >> > "Final Definition of the Language from Here to Eternity", so there's >> > no reason to worry if it's not perfect in every minor detail. >> > >> >> For what it's worth, I agree with all of this and believe that Robin >> would excel as this sort of jatna. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "BPFK" group. >> To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=3Den. >> >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> ----- Forwarded message from Lindar ----- >> >> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:34:07 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Lindar >> To: BPFK >> Subject: [bpfk] Re: What I'm going to do. >> >> > For what it's worth, I agree with all of this and believe that Robin >> > would excel as this sort of jatna. >> >> Second. >> >> I believe that Robin has always had the best interest in mind for the >> language, has always had the perfect insight, and is a perfect balance >> between Arnt's "No." policy and Jorge's "Well if we accept my proposal >> on X..." policy. >> >> So, my vote goes to Robin. >> (Can I be vice-jatna?) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "BPFK" group. >> To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=3Den. >> >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> >> -- >> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot >> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" >> is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "BPFK" group. >> To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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