From bpfk-list+bncCMbnveiNHRCrjfvqBBoEtbXBag@googlegroups.com Fri Feb 18 11:21:36 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqVtP-0007MQ-9W; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:35 -0800 Received: by pvh1 with SMTP id 1sf1343710pvh.16 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:x-beenthere:received-spf:date :message-id:to:subject:from:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lqEJOD0/v5kYiOAjOG7niiqLZn4rBayunWr2x3VyIW8=; b=4yNfxPGPauzY4dIa9fl8OI+nT7q4lN65jHXnSPx3plakPd+WO8yQpIKKTWsfeMJSCQ jMXq9zNkjzsSgYe7TWW1NMftBuTe3eJczDw/699yQitJUHCBDJB99+9ksi8dqr/HrWHD 1YmNJwRZI79F0yfoZMyAGLm+vhOxcgHa/Ubrs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:message-id:to:subject :from:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=1AoytoejlZTIcd0JSqqppyMeSDE0EpdtLlegY+fcgvHxBw/7EnDofEzU5gFcTVlYQJ +ztVkK76JbXlRBw/HtIOhILjFuM57JmI36wwbiXfO4jH7Lw3Sco0/68rLpGQgN2hlYMo HyHA6YHksJqL6mx6DriR9cvEHh2MQXMwfkeW4= Received: by 10.142.161.10 with SMTP id j10mr56889wfe.31.1298056875315; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.178.6 with SMTP id f6ls440186wfp.3.p; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.49.16 with SMTP id w16mr222691wfw.56.1298056874464; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.49.16 with SMTP id w16mr222690wfw.56.1298056874408; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28si2606289wfb.6.2011.02.18.11.21.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqVtA-0007MB-HL for bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:12 -0800 Received: from 128-177-28-49.ip.openhosting.com ([128.177.28.49] helo=oh-www1.lojban.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqVt6-0007Lk-1K for bpfk@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:21:12 -0800 Received: from www-data by oh-www1.lojban.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PqVt5-0003Af-9Q for bpfk@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:21:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:21:07 -0500 Message-Id: To: bpfk@lojban.org Subject: [bpfk] dag-cll git updates for Fri Feb 18 14:21:07 EST 2011 From: www-data X-Original-Sender: www-data@oh-www1.lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable commit 27816455e35a74d1cbb26b1593b1797b5c7ef4ba Author: Robin Lee Powell Date: Fri Feb 18 10:41:51 2011 -0800 Chapter 9 tweaks. diff --git a/todocbook/9.xml b/todocbook/9.xml index 7e3ba36..5918d7a 100644 --- a/todocbook/9.xml +++ b/todocbook/9.xml @@ -1262,30 +1262,32 @@ which doesn't require the extra=20 vau; all sumti before a conjunction of bridi-tails are = shared. operand modal con= nection modal operand connection Finally, mathematical oper= ands can be modally connected. <anchor xml:id=3D"c9e8d10"/> li ny. du li vo .ini'ibo li ny. du li re su'i re the number n =3D the-number 4. Entailed-by the-number n =3D= the-number 2 + 2. + n =3D 4 because n =3D 2 + 2. can be reduced to: <anchor xml:id=3D"c9e8d11"/> li ny. du li ni'igi vei re su'i re [ve'o] gi vo - the-number =3D the-number because ( 2 + 2 ) therefore 4. + the-number n =3D the-number because ( 2 + 2 ) therefore 4.<= /gloss> + n is 2 + 2, and is thus 4. The cmavo=20 vei and=20 ve'o represent mathematical parentheses, and are requir= ed so that=20 ni'igi affects more than just the immedia= tely following operand, namely the first=20 re. (The right parenthesis,=20 ve'o, is an elidable terminator.) As usual, no English = translation does=20 justice. modal connectives= fi'o prohibited in fi'orestriction on= use Note: Due to restrictions on the Lojban parsin= g algorithm, it is not possible to form modal connectives using the=20 diff --git a/todocbook/TODO b/todocbook/TODO index 6b6d9d9..d24873c 100644 --- a/todocbook/TODO +++ b/todocbook/TODO @@ -8,90 +8,20 @@ WRT rafsi: man seems best Will that suck for ger-zda ? =20 Let alone logj-bang-girz =20 Handling chapter 2: why don't we just require that the number of sub-entri= es matches? Also: maybe rename jbo/gloss for this purpose, or introduce roles. =20 -9.xml - - the-number =3D the-number because ( 2 + 2 ) theref ore 4.= -- needs an "n" before the =3D - - Do we want to auto-generate the BAI list at the end of Chapter 9 - from jbovlaste? Probably not for v1.1; for v2 maybe just say - "read the dict"? - - with - property - - as a - standard for - - as a - part of - - as a - limit of - - as a - method for - - on the same date - as -- one entry - - from source as an origin of - pertained to by concerning -- should almost - certainly be two entries; check and add to errata - - For-every X: X is-a-goer-to the store if-and-onl y-if is-a-walker= -on the field. - -- should be: "For-every X: X is-a-goer-to the store if-and-only-if it i= s-a-walker-on the field." (but check errata page) - -@@ -1463,7 +1463,7 @@ - - - -- la .apasionatas. poi se cusku la .artr. rubnstain. cu se nel= ci mi -+ la .apasionatas. ku poi se cusku la .artr. rubnstain. cu se = nelci mi - The Appassionata which is-expressed-by Arthur Rubinstein i= s-liked-by me. - - -@@ -1473,7 +1473,7 @@ - - - -- la .apasionatas. noi se finti la betovn. cu se nelci mi -+ la .apasionatas. ku noi se finti la betovn. cu se nelci mi - The Appassionata, which is-created-by Beethoven, is-liked-= by me. - - -@@ -1502,7 +1502,7 @@ - - - -- la .apasionatas pe la .artr. rubnstain. se nelci mi -+ la .apasionatas. ku pe la .artr. rubnstain. se nelci mi - The Appassionata of Arthur Rubinstein is-liked-by me. - - -@@ -1512,7 +1512,7 @@ - - - -- la .apasionatas ne la betovn. se nelci mi -+ la .apasionatas. ku ne la betovn. se nelci mi - The Appassionata, which is of Beethoven, is-liked-by me. - --- and others - 10.xml =20 mi cu pu klama le zarci mi pu klama le zarci -- doubled up =20 Left of a place above me, the man bites the dog. [snip others] commit aa68dad89ca4d67209b73277a02ccd156e43ba65 Author: Robin Lee Powell Date: Fri Feb 18 10:23:30 2011 -0800 Very minor chapter 8 tweak. diff --git a/todocbook/8.xml b/todocbook/8.xml index 52c3833..f91dde9 100644 --- a/todocbook/8.xml +++ b/todocbook/8.xml @@ -1417,22 +1417,21 @@ le prenu poi ke'a goi ko'a zo'u ko'a zvati le kumfa poi ke'a = goi ko'e zo'u ko'a zbasu ke'a cu masno The man who (IT =3D it1 : it1 is-in the room which (IT =3D = it2 : it1 built it2) is-slow. is more verbose than=20 , but may be clearer, sinc= e it explicitly spells out the two=20 ke'a cmavo, each on its own level, and assigns them t= o the assignable cmavo=20 ko'a and=20 - ko'e (explained in Chapter=20 - ). + ko'e (explained in ).
Index of relative clause cmavo relative clauses<= /primary>list of cmavo for Relative clau= se introducers (selma'o NOI): noi incidental clauses diff --git a/todocbook/TODO b/todocbook/TODO index c945b35..6b6d9d9 100644 --- a/todocbook/TODO +++ b/todocbook/TODO @@ -8,28 +8,20 @@ WRT rafsi: man seems best Will that suck for ger-zda ? =20 Let alone logj-bang-girz =20 Handling chapter 2: why don't we just require that the number of sub-entri= es matches? Also: maybe rename jbo/gloss for this purpose, or introduce roles. =20 -8.xml - - ko'e (explained in Chapter - ). - =20 - -- double chapter - 9.xml =20 the-number =3D the-number because ( 2 + 2 ) theref ore 4.= -- needs an "n" before the =3D =20 Do we want to auto-generate the BAI list at the end of Chapter 9 from jbovlaste? Probably not for v1.1; for v2 maybe just say "read the dict"? =20 with property commit a489bb05e1646cdd4d07775fb30e86d1f8373ff0 Author: Robin Lee Powell Date: Fri Feb 18 10:21:00 2011 -0800 Tweaks to chapter 7. diff --git a/todocbook/7.xml b/todocbook/7.xml index 6b1011c..e661b2f 100644 --- a/todocbook/7.xml +++ b/todocbook/7.xml @@ -1546,21 +1546,25 @@ I love you [reciprocity] [x1 of this bridi]. = =20 again involves the x1 and x2 places. soiuse in expressing reciprocity reciprocityexpressing= with soi Of course, other places can be involved, = and other sumti may be used in place of vo'a-series cmavo, provided those o= ther sumti can be reasonably understood as referring to the same things men= tioned in the bridi proper. Here are several examples that mean the same th= ing: <anchor xml:id=3D"c7e8d5"/> - mi bajykla ti ta soi vo'e mi bajykla ti ta soi vo'e vo'i soi = vo'e vo'i mi bajykla ti ta + + mi bajykla ti ta soi vo'e + mi bajykla ti ta soi vo'e vo'i + soi vo'e vo'i mi bajykla ti ta I runningly-go to this from that and vice versa (to that fr= om this). SEhU selma'o<= /primary> se= 'u se'= uelidability considerations <= indexterm type=3D"general-imported">se'uas el= idable terminator for soi The elidable terminator f= or=20 soi is=20 se'u (selma'o SEhU), which is normally needed only if t= here is just one sumti after the=20 soi, and the=20 soi construction is not at the end of the bridi. Constr= uctions using=20 soi are free modifiers, and as such can go almost anywh= ere. Here is an example where=20 =20 @@ -1923,32 +1927,44 @@ =20 du lacks: the standard of equality.
lujvo based on pro-sumti pro-sumtirafsi for rafsibased on pro-sumti= There exist rafsi allocated to a few cmavo of selma'o KOhA, bu= t they are rarely used. (See=20 for a complete list.) The obv= ious way to use them is as internal sumti, filling in an appropriate place = of the gismu or lujvo to which they are attached; as such, they usually sta= nd as the first rafsi in their lujvo. you-talkexample pro-sumti r= afsieffect of on place structure of lujvo<= /indexterm> lujvo<= secondary>pro-sumti rafsi effect on place structure of Thus=20 donta'a, meaning=20 you-talk, would be interpreted as=20 - =20 tavla be do, and would have the place str= ucture + + + + <anchor xml:id=3D"c7e15d1"/> + t1 talks to you about subject t3 in language t4 + since t2 (the addressee) is already known to = be=20 do. you-cmavoexample On the other hand, the lujvo=20 donma'o, literally=20 you-cmavo, which means=20 =20 a second person personal pronoun, would be interpreted = as=20 cmavo be zo do, and have the place struct= ure: + + + + <anchor xml:id=3D"c7e15d2"/> + c1 is a second person pronoun in language c4 + + since both the c2 place (the grammatical clas= s) and the c3 place (the meaning) are obvious from the c= ontext=20 do. fo'a pro-sumti rafs= ianticipated use of for abbreviating inconvenient form= s An anticipated use of rafsi for cmavo in the=20 =20 fo'a series is to express lujvo which can't be expresse= d in a convenient rafsi form, because they are too long to express, or are = formally inconvenient (fu'ivla, cmene, and so forth.) An example would be:<= /para> =20 =20 =20 diff --git a/todocbook/TODO b/todocbook/TODO index 9ea991a..c945b35 100644 --- a/todocbook/TODO +++ b/todocbook/TODO @@ -8,42 +8,20 @@ WRT rafsi: <rafsi type=3D"prefix">man</rafsi> seems best Will that suck for <member><jbophrase role=3D"rafsi">ger</jbophrase><jbo= phrase role=3D"rafsi">-zda</jbophrase></member> ? =20 Let alone <member><jbophrase role=3D"rafsi">logj</jbophrase><jbophrase role=3D"rafsi">-bang</jbophrase><jbophrase role=3D"rafsi">-girz</jbophrase></member> =20 Handling chapter 2: why don't we just require that the number of sub-entri= es matches? Also: maybe rename jbo/gloss for this purpose, or introduce roles. =20 -7.xml: - - <jbo>mi bajykla ti ta soi vo'e mi bajykla ti ta soi vo'e vo'i soi vo'e v= o'i mi bajykla ti ta</jbo> -- needs to be 2 - =20 - <en>I runningly-go to this from that and vice versa.</en| <en>I= run to this from that and vice versa.</en>=20 - -- that's a change; not on the errata list - - <place-structure>t1 talks to you about subject t3 in langua - ge t4</place-structure> - <para>since <varname>t2</varname> (the addressee) is alread - y known to be - - <place-structure>c1 is a second person pronoun in language - c4</place-structure> - <para>since both the <varname>c2</varname> place (the gramm - atical class) and the <varname>c3</varname> place (the meaning) - are obvious from the context - - -- used to be examples! That's bad! - - <xref linkend=3D"chapter-abstractions-"/> -- bad - 8.xml =20 <jbophrase>ko'e</jbophrase> (explained in Chapter <xref linkend=3D"chapter-anaphoric-cmavo-section-koha-broda-s eries"/>).</para> =20 -- double chapter =20 9.xml =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googleg= roups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-l= ist?hl=3Den.