Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:58097) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ReDvp-0000K8-8S; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:50 -0800 Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3sf7013343pbc.16 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=pYxJAI61m0vCy8TkCzdE8zxCOXs5ZC7hIO9CTRxQdqE=; b=KUA6rkiOXJydA4qOHqfNifjmhJpDQyPGnwygvMTlIVmpMin1Jbwi4sYWpFoxzB5VIR BqKmMVqUhAasdXWcKPBqwGVl1eWpj1kI2EF0WDEKJi+DF41goc5JoTAKauhD6l1uhTp2 /Q4QEbpT4yX+aiCRxrqpXpmReUDcFhK03lX7s= Received: by 10.68.212.136 with SMTP id nk8mr3427941pbc.1.1324680569101; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.74.199 with SMTP id w7ls18147712pbv.7.gmail; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.191.41 with SMTP id gv9mr11740583pbc.5.1324680568048; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.191.41 with SMTP id gv9mr11740582pbc.5.1324680568039; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n3si16005270pbd.1.2011.12.23.14.49.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ReDva-0000Jl-H3; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:49:26 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Cc: bpfk@lojban.org Subject: Re: [bpfk] Can we drop the fore tanru cmavo? Message-ID: <20111223224926.GB30739@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com, bpfk@lojban.org References: <20111223175808.GH23459@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111223182546.GB27391@mercury.ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111223182546.GB27391@mercury.ccil.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bpfk-list@googlegroups.com; contact bpfk-list+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 972099695765 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 01:25:46PM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > > > i.e., can PEG support having one set of fore logical connectives > > only, or is the issue deeper than lookahead? > > In principle it is only lookahead, but I'd be reluctant to mess > with this because of human limitations -- PEG grammars can look > ahead arbitrarily far, but humans cannot. When you hear GA after > a selbri, you know that the selbri is complete; when you hear > GUhA, you know there is more selbri to come. I think that's a > valuable property that shouldn't be discarded lightly. > > This is why I have been reluctant to use the PEG grammar as a > basis for grammar changes. The YACC grammar is over-constraining > and makes some elidable terminators necessary (the notorious le > broda ku joi le brodo) that wouldn't actually confuse anyone. But > OTOH it doesn't permit things to be grammatical that no human > could decipher. We need a happy medium. I completely agree. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BPFK" group. To post to this group, send email to bpfk-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bpfk-list+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bpfk-list?hl=en.