Return-path: Envelope-to: jbovlaste-admin@lojban.org Delivery-date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:24:35 -0800 Received: from [192.168.123.254] (port=37508 helo=web.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1kurNw-00BvtK-R0 for jbovlaste-admin@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2020 22:24:35 -0800 Received: by web.digitalkingdom.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:24:32 +0000 From: "Apache" To: curtis289@att.net Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org Subject: [jvsw] Definition Edited At Word abvele -- By krtisfranks Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:24:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- In jbovlaste, the user krtisfranks has edited a definition of "abvele" in the language "English". Differences: 5,5c5,5 < No prefix "great-"s may immediately precede the English translation of this word when the root is "grandparent"/"grandchild" or the like (due to slippage of clarity in reference to the pertinent generation); furthermore, it must refer to that generation (so no additional "great-"s may immediately precede the English translation of this word when it means "great-uncle"/"great-aunt" or the reciprocal relationships, and it cannot refer to uncles, aunts, nieces, or nephews). Might apply to great-aunts and great-uncles; it does not in any way intersect with the reference set of "{famti}" in a simple family/tree. See also: {tcuti}, which specifically excludes the potential meaning of grandparent/grandchild and which specifically includes the meaning of aunt/uncle/nephew/niece and higher generational separations too (such as great-great-uncle vel sim., unlike this word which is restricted to the grandparents' generation); {riryrirni} (or the like), which excludes the potential meaning of great-uncle/great-aunt or the reciprocal relationships. --- > No prefix "great-"s may immediately precede the English translation of this word when the root is "grandparent"/"grandchild" or the like (due to slippage of clarity in reference to the pertinent generation); furthermore, it must refer to that generation (so no additional "great-"s may immediately precede the English translation of this word when it means "great-uncle"/"great-aunt" or the reciprocal relationships, and it cannot refer to uncles, aunts, nieces, or nephews). Might apply to great-aunts and great-uncles; it does not in any way intersect with the reference set of "{famti}" in a simple family/tree. See also: {tcuti}, which specifically excludes the potential meaning of grandparent/grandchild and which specifically includes the meaning of aunt/uncle/nephew/niece and higher generational separations too (such as great-great-uncle vel sim., unlike this word which is restricted to the grandparents' generation); {riryrirni} (or the like), which excludes the potential meaning of great-uncle/great-aunt or the reciprocal relationships. See also: "{dzena}" (which is more general and not necessarily familial by any given standard). Old Data: Definition: $x_1$ is a grandparent of $x_2$ by bond/tie/relation/standard $x_3$ (not necessarily genetic/biological nor necessarily directly ancestral); $x_1$ is an associated member of $x_2$'s parent(s)'s parent(s)'s generation. Notes: No prefix "great-"s may immediately precede the English translation of this word when the root is "grandparent"/"grandchild" or the like (due to slippage of clarity in reference to the pertinent generation); furthermore, it must refer to that generation (so no additional "great-"s may immediately precede the English translation of this word when it means "great-uncle"/"great-aunt" or the reciprocal relationships, and it cannot refer to uncles, aunts, nieces, or nephews). Might apply to great-aunts and great-uncles; it does not in any way intersect with the reference set of "{famti}" in a simple family/tree. See also: {tcuti}, which specifically excludes the potential meaning of grandparent/grandchild and which specifically includes the meaning of aunt/uncle/nephew/niece and higher generational separations too (such as great-great-uncle vel sim., unlike this word which is restricted to the grandparents' generation); {riryrirni} (or the like), which excludes the potential meaning of great-uncle/great-aunt or the reciprocal relationships. Jargon: Gloss Keywords: Word: grandchild, In Sense: Word: granddaughter, In Sense: Word: grand-daughter, In Sense: Word: grandfather, In Sense: generic Word: grandmother, In Sense: generic Word: grandparent, In Sense: generalized Word: grandson, In Sense: Word: great-aunt, In Sense: Word: great-nephew, In Sense: Word: great-niece, In Sense: Word: great-uncle, In Sense: Place Keywords: New Data: Definition: $x_1$ is a grandparent of $x_2$ by bond/tie/relation/standard $x_3$ (not necessarily genetic/biological nor necessarily directly ancestral); $x_1$ is an associated member of $x_2$'s parent(s)'s parent(s)'s generation. Notes: No prefix "great-"s may immediately precede the English translation of this word when the root is "grandparent"/"grandchild" or the like (due to slippage of clarity in reference to the pertinent generation); furthermore, it must refer to that generation (so no additional "great-"s may immediately precede the English translation of this word when it means "great-uncle"/"great-aunt" or the reciprocal relationships, and it cannot refer to uncles, aunts, nieces, or nephews). Might apply to great-aunts and great-uncles; it does not in any way intersect with the reference set of "{famti}" in a simple family/tree. See also: {tcuti}, which specifically excludes the potential meaning of grandparent/grandchild and which specifically includes the meaning of aunt/uncle/nephew/niece and higher generational separations too (such as great-great-uncle vel sim., unlike this word which is restricted to the grandparents' generation); {riryrirni} (or the like), which excludes the potential meaning of great-uncle/great-aunt or the reciprocal relationships. See also: "{dzena}" (which is more general and not necessarily familial by any given standard). Jargon: Gloss Keywords: Word: grandchild, In Sense: Word: granddaughter, In Sense: Word: grand-daughter, In Sense: Word: grandfather, In Sense: generic Word: grandmother, In Sense: generic Word: grandparent, In Sense: generalized Word: grandson, In Sense: Word: great-aunt, In Sense: Word: great-nephew, In Sense: Word: great-niece, In Sense: Word: great-uncle, In Sense: Place Keywords: You can go to to see it.