Return-path: Envelope-to: jbovlaste-admin@lojban.org Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 11:29:02 -0800 Received: from [192.168.123.254] (port=40144 helo=jiten.lojban.org) by 7051bea86fdb with smtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1n1ZCV-001JLW-Ob for jbovlaste-admin@lojban.org; Sun, 26 Dec 2021 11:29:02 -0800 Received: by jiten.lojban.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 26 Dec 2021 19:28:59 +0000 From: "Apache" To: curtis289@att.net Reply-To: webmaster@lojban.org Subject: [jvsw] Definition Edited At Word zmaduje -- By krtisfranks Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 19:28:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - In jbovlaste, the user krtisfranks has edited a definition of "zmaduje" in the language "English". Differences: 5,5c5,5 < {zmadu} implies that one things is more than another in some property, but not that either actually achieves/has that property. For example, a two-year-old is older than a one-year-old but neither is old by normal human standards. This word says that not only is one thing more than another in some property, but at least one of them does have that property. So, an octagenarian is older than a toddler, and the former (but not the latter) actually is old by normal human standards. In my cases, if $x_4 = 2$, then not only does $x_2$ have property $x_3$, but $x_1$ also has property $x_3$ (just by a greater amount/to a greater extent); it is uncommon and indicative of a pathology in definition for $x_4 = 2$ to not imply that $x_4 = 1$ is also true. The converse is untrue: $x_1$ may have property $x_3$ even while $x_2$ does not ('$x_4 = 1$' is true but '$x_4 = 2$' is false, as in the octagenerian versus toddler example); however, in order to exclude the possibility that $x_4 = 2$ when $x_4 = 1$ is specified, one must explicitly specify that it is so - $x_4$ necessarily tells which argument does indeed satisfy the proposition of having property $x_3$, but it possibly may not necessarily give any information as to which argument does not do so. See: "{trajije}". --- > "{zmadu}" implies that one thing is more than another in some property, but not that either actually achieves/has that property. For example, a two-year-old is older than a one-year-old but neither is old by normal human standards. This word indicates that not only is one of the referenced sumti more than another in some specified property, but at least one of them does have that property. So, an octagenarian is older than a toddler, and the former (but not the latter) actually is old by normal human standards. In my cases, if $x_4 = 2$, then not only does $x_2$ have property $x_3$, but $x_1$ also has property $x_3$ (just by a greater amount/to a greater extent); it is uncommon and indicative of a pathology in definition for $x_4 = 2$ to not imply that $x_4 = 1$ is also true. The converse is untrue: $x_1$ may have property $x_3$ even while $x_2$ does not ('$x_4 = 1$' is true but '$x_4 = 2$' is false, as in the octagenerian versus toddler example); however, in order to exclude the possibility that $x_4 = 2$ when $x_4 = 1$ is specified, one must explicitly specify that it is so - $x_4$ necessarily tells which argument does indeed satisfy the proposition of having property $x_3$, but it possibly may not necessarily give any information as to which argument does not do so. See: "{trajije}". Old Data: Definition: $x_1$ is more than/greater than/exceeds $x_2$ in property $x_3$ (ka) and the $x_4$th (li; 1 or 2) argument of this selbri actually has/is/expresses/attains property $x_3$ according to $x_5$. Notes: {zmadu} implies that one things is more than another in some property, but not that either actually achieves/has that property. For example, a two-year-old is older than a one-year-old but neither is old by normal human standards. This word says that not only is one thing more than another in some property, but at least one of them does have that property. So, an octagenarian is older than a toddler, and the former (but not the latter) actually is old by normal human standards. In my cases, if $x_4 = 2$, then not only does $x_2$ have property $x_3$, but $x_1$ also has property $x_3$ (just by a greater amount/to a greater extent); it is uncommon and indicative of a pathology in definition for $x_4 = 2$ to not imply that $x_4 = 1$ is also true. The converse is untrue: $x_1$ may have property $x_3$ even while $x_2$ does not ('$x_4 = 1$' is true but '$x_4 = 2$' is false, as in the octagenerian versus toddler example); however, in order to exclude the possibility that $x_4 = 2$ when $x_4 = 1$ is specified, one must explicitly specify that it is so - $x_4$ necessarily tells which argument does indeed satisfy the proposition of having property $x_3$, but it possibly may not necessarily give any information as to which argument does not do so. See: "{trajije}". Jargon: Gloss Keywords: Word: more and actually is, In Sense: Word: more than and realized in having/being, In Sense: Place Keywords: New Data: Definition: $x_1$ is more than/greater than/exceeds $x_2$ in property $x_3$ (ka) and the $x_4$th (li; 1 or 2) argument of this selbri actually has/is/expresses/attains property $x_3$ according to $x_5$. Notes: "{zmadu}" implies that one thing is more than another in some property, but not that either actually achieves/has that property. For example, a two-year-old is older than a one-year-old but neither is old by normal human standards. This word indicates that not only is one of the referenced sumti more than another in some specified property, but at least one of them does have that property. So, an octagenarian is older than a toddler, and the former (but not the latter) actually is old by normal human standards. In my cases, if $x_4 = 2$, then not only does $x_2$ have property $x_3$, but $x_1$ also has property $x_3$ (just by a greater amount/to a greater extent); it is uncommon and indicative of a pathology in definition for $x_4 = 2$ to not imply that $x_4 = 1$ is also true. The converse is untrue: $x_1$ may have property $x_3$ even while $x_2$ does not ('$x_4 = 1$' is true but '$x_4 = 2$' is false, as in the octagenerian versus toddler example); however, in order to exclude the possibility that $x_4 = 2$ when $x_4 = 1$ is specified, one must explicitly specify that it is so - $x_4$ necessarily tells which argument does indeed satisfy the proposition of having property $x_3$, but it possibly may not necessarily give any information as to which argument does not do so. See: "{trajije}". Jargon: Gloss Keywords: Word: more and actually is, In Sense: Word: more than and realized in having/being, In Sense: Place Keywords: You can go to to see it.