Received: from localhost ([::1]:38206 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ROs30-0004wI-A6; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:25:38 -0800 Received: from lake.fysh.org ([81.94.195.195]:49815 ident=Debian-exim) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ROs2w-0004wD-O9 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:25:36 -0800 Received: from zefram by lake.fysh.org with local (Exim 4.69 #1 (Debian)) id 1ROs2o-0002R9-Nr; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:25:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:25:26 +0000 From: Zefram To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Message-ID: <20111111142526.GW21363@lake.fysh.org> References: <201111110857.34314.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201111110857.34314.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] samfonxa X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org Pierre Abbat wrote: >*A phone that a computer can talk on; a modem. >*A computer program that is a phone that humans can talk on. >*A phone that has a computer built in. >Which do you prefer, and what should the others be called? The first, approximately. {fonxa} covers access devices to any telecommunications network, so includes modems anyway. {samfonxa} is an obvious way to specify a fonxa that is specifically for use with skami. Either have the same place structure as {fonxa}, or add a third place "for the use of computers s1". Strange that {fonxa} doesn't already have a place regarding intended users. Drop s2 because it's too far removed from the focus. A fonxa that is a computer program would probably have to be formed from {samtci}, though it's a little ugly to combine {fonxa} with the more generic {tutci} referring to the same object. Anyway, {samtcifonxa}, "f1=t1 is a telephone/modem attached to network f2 implemented as a program on computers including s1". Drop t2 because it's inherently specified by the lujvo, and drop s2 because it was dropped by {samtci}. For "a phone that has a computer built in", I'm inclined to view it from a different perspective, as a computer that is a phone (or has telephony among its purposes). For that the obvious choice is {fonskami}, "s1=f1 is a computerised telephone transceiver attached to network f2". Drop s2 because it's inherently specified by the lujvo. Of course, many computerised phones have additional functions as well, that being pretty much the point of computerising them, but we're supposing that the *primary* purpose is telephony. -zefram _______________________________________________ jbovlaste mailing list jbovlaste@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste