Received: from localhost ([::1]:55614 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqtuC-0003cY-Mc; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:08:56 -0800 Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com ([209.85.214.175]:55531) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tqtu0-0003cQ-Uv for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:08:54 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id vb8so14104669obc.20 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:08:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=600vf8G6VDN6q8q7YsSYXanMgrapsIou/twqf5FsK+w=; b=dUQb1+uJvBpBrxmcq8QUvo1IBSqbJ2zuxp7rq4lYBtBMYGefroLFo2w4wALOdO0mS4 nbPK1Xe+vs0iosxFI7WFnGnMk9LZn53T+3UlI7jtgIPLz1t2Wjm25uS/mNPV3nKoNNuQ HME2GpcQuES24bq6nlyytTD/Jrt5ghQ+YZH+kRTbTDn3QvB0E9FT7UDHwwbci8YDZhFe NIRPDsIdDYdg0KSeOuGDLg7upsFHXeR4TsShcWsZ49RPhZff6YUtOM5arf4EbvQloTlw CuMSOJuZL6Ic4iu/Fl4NcZHzr4yxMhv1mtJxC21GR1lYb8wSM/LZfKo83Ba/jrM2xeW5 hccA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.172.229 with SMTP id bf5mr28263069oec.81.1357254518682; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.178.237 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:08:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20130103201946.GA18038@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:08:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] [eitanp32@gmail.com: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some lujvo] X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0574105756785643200==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org --===============0574105756785643200== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54ee86c74b29f04d26a71cf --bcaec54ee86c74b29f04d26a71cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible >> vagueness that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is superfluous. >> > > Or that {banro} is superfluous. > I understand {banro} to be growth as in "a caterpillar grows into a butterfly", which is wholly different from "Jacob grows from 4', 90lbs. to 6', 170 lbs.". > stevo > > >> >> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell < >> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> >>> I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone should feel free to suggest >>> a fix. >>> >>> -Robin >>> >>> ----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky ----- >>> >>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500 >>> From: Eitan Postavsky >>> To: rt-jvs@lojban.org >>> Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some >>> lujvo >>> >>> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow >>> As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. It >>> seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase in size", >>> but >>> that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger". I don't >>> know. >>> The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what >>> places >>> they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain >>> conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss. >>> >>> ----- End forwarded message ----- >>> >>> -- >>> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e >>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e >>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni >>> li'u >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbovlaste mailing list >>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbovlaste mailing list >> jbovlaste@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > jbovlaste mailing list > jbovlaste@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --bcaec54ee86c74b29f04d26a71cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM= , Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible vagueness = that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is superfluous.

Or that {banro} is superfluous.=A0

I understand {banro} to be growth as in "a= caterpillar grows into a butterfly", which is wholly different from &= quot;Jacob grows from 4', 90lbs. to 6', 170 lbs.".
=A0
stevo
=A0

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digit= alkingdom.org> wrote:
I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone shou= ld feel free to suggest
a fix.

-Robin

----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com> -----

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500
From: Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com>
To: rt-jvs@lojban.or= g
Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with s= ome lujvo

h= ttp://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow
As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. It seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase= in size", but
that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger&quo= t;. I don't know.
The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what pla= ces
they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain<= br> conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss= .

----- End forwarded message -----

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lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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