Received: from localhost ([::1]:55820 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TquVH-0003tB-J6; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:47:15 -0800 Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com ([209.85.220.181]:61253) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TquV4-0003t2-GX for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:47:13 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id gb30so16111881vcb.12 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:46:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=8aUwiXa/Y/WfUANvAMiuat9VJaufyTjdcyODTG9CfEk=; b=jKDhGiyqFJjd2HqrHiLmzX21boh4r0vlF3iFIz6mWFFydkAzuaFF89bqbWUJd6+xmh X2MTni1o8feHvkqhGozjvtML7lHjh62anJ/yB6UiD2p1mSBHMxlAnnNSyaqkQTpAW+sV MQvJdrCWQFmlg9F9nQ7hzIT5RSy+tdb579elDIYr25XGfflsIeasst/0LdSHUOTD6OxR +ep94IaVufdj/MdylPNcqFJ3DJj0YUDqEpFLbz7XRuLzvHkFK2UGY9yxeoEeh8pIOxkw hh+9mZ38TtH5DLg0DF24bpDdzplPTKPEOPyAO9mnABO9zEQXBkmSJHhqThLqDcvE0c6Q YMCg== Received: by 10.58.247.132 with SMTP id ye4mr78162408vec.9.1357256815918; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:46:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.75.232 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:46:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20130103201946.GA18038@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:46:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] [eitanp32@gmail.com: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some lujvo] X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0154224161994230800==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org --===============0154224161994230800== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0ecc861bce004d26afaa2 --047d7bf0ecc861bce004d26afaa2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >> >>> Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible >>> vagueness that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is superfluous. >>> >> >> Or that {banro} is superfluous. >> > > I understand {banro} to be growth as in "a caterpillar grows into a > butterfly", > Indeed, I wouldn't call it growth at all, but rather change or transformation. stevo > which is wholly different from "Jacob grows from 4', 90lbs. to 6', 170 > lbs.". > > >> stevo >> >> >>> >>> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell < >>> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone should feel free to suggest >>>> a fix. >>>> >>>> -Robin >>>> >>>> ----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky ----- >>>> >>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500 >>>> From: Eitan Postavsky >>>> To: rt-jvs@lojban.org >>>> Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some >>>> lujvo >>>> >>>> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow >>>> As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. >>>> It >>>> seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase in size", >>>> but >>>> that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger". I don't >>>> know. >>>> The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what >>>> places >>>> they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain >>>> conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss. >>>> >>>> ----- End forwarded message ----- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >>>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e >>>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e >>>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu >>>> sofybakni li'u >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbovlaste mailing list >>>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbovlaste mailing list >>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbovlaste mailing list >> jbovlaste@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan= Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM= , MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson= <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible vagueness = that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is superfluous.

Or that {banro} is superfluous.=C2=A0

I understand {banro} to be growth as in &= quot;a caterpillar grows into a butterfly",
<= div>
Indeed, I wouldn't call it growth at all, but rather= change or transformation.=C2=A0

stevo
=C2=A0
which is wholly different from "Ja= cob grows from 4', 90lbs. to 6', 170 lbs.".
=C2=A0
stevo
=C2=A0

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digit= alkingdom.org> wrote:
I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone shou= ld feel free to suggest
a fix.

-Robin

----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com> -----

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500
From: Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com>
To: rt-jvs@lojban.or= g
Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with s= ome lujvo

h= ttp://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow
As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. It seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase= in size", but
that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger&quo= t;. I don't know.
The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what pla= ces
they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain<= br> conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss= .

----- End forwarded message -----

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lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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