Received: from localhost ([::1]:55937 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tqub7-0003yw-1P; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:17 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]:48300) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tquau-0003yp-LJ for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:15 -0800 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=VZd1zSV9 c=1 sm=0 a=9FjIuuTC/gPChZL2fAO11w==:17 a=42-ZcOgIxyIA:10 a=sRxo3A-f37QA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=dBrbwaExXbcA:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=FAxVqf75AAAA:8 a=OthM-Uz8AAAA:8 a=FQeIrZO4HWo5VVh84rsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=dxBpO5_FDU0A:10 a=aYzBwemZRbMA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=wJtmghvTk3puuL81V1AA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=aUpZ0Ouvj5BERRFR:21 a=9FjIuuTC/gPChZL2fAO11w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 142.11.65.171 Received: from [142.11.65.171] ([142.11.65.171:49947] helo=DrBobPC) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 68/54-05345-9D916E05; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:52:58 +0000 From: "Bob Chapman" To: References: <20130103201946.GA18038@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:52:54 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01cdea0d$738a72a0$5a9f57e0$@socal.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGSsEAfiezrbHOWRBxmtCXBtyyBAwFjYd65AdhnfXiYlNvjgA== Content-Language: en-us X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] [eitanp32@gmail.com: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some lujvo] X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8849188241906297858==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8849188241906297858== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CDE9CA.656732A0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CDE9CA.656732A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please delete me from your site. Thank you =20 From: MorphemeAddict [mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:53 PM To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] [eitanp32@gmail.com: {banro} gets default sense = of "grow"; conflicting with some lujvo] =20 =20 On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson = wrote: Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible = vagueness that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is = superfluous. =20 Or that {banro} is superfluous.=20 =20 stevo =20 mi'e la latro'a mu'o =20 On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell = wrote: I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone should feel free to suggest a fix. -Robin ----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky ----- Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500 From: Eitan Postavsky To: rt-jvs@lojban.org Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some = lujvo http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. = It seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase in size", = but that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger". I don't = know. The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what = places they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni = li'u _______________________________________________ jbovlaste mailing list jbovlaste@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste =20 _______________________________________________ jbovlaste mailing list jbovlaste@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CDE9CA.656732A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please delete me from your site. Thank you

 

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all = the possible vagueness that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} = is superfluous.

 

Or that {banro} is = superfluous. 

 

stevo

 


mi'e = la latro'a mu'o

 

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell = <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> = wrote:

I agree this seems a bit = wonky; someone should feel free to suggest
a = fix.

-Robin

----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky = <eitanp32@gmail.com> -----

Date: Thu, 3 = Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500
From: Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com>
To: rt-jvs@lojban.org
Subject: {banro} gets default = sense of "grow"; conflicting with some lujvo

http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow
As = you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. = It
seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense = "increase in size", but
that is disturbingly similar to = {brabi'o}'s "become larger". I don't know.
The only = difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what = places
they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under = certain
conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s = gloss.

----- End forwarded message -----

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