Received: from localhost ([::1]:55953 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqubO-000404-Op; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:34 -0800 Received: from mail-vb0-f51.google.com ([209.85.212.51]:61244) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqubB-0003yr-RZ for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:30 -0800 Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fq11so15657567vbb.24 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QVuFuQZCuE3Syc7oFMTYhLeYf50pcr9ZVZbGdvag9cc=; b=Cmw7RY03y2wimwrjFy32qUvnJiM2eOfxH/irmOCqd02nd+WXpvA7KiXqZoEWLLVdlk A27pacxHYmG8zg4iHWHZiA9Fi5sv1XUHjV6IxkCynuLfP+96j84RPvHFO8RkND82hYnf eDylEZd5etfJsp85koi5AaA+BmkHpEITKdc6IGGwDdzzISk93CAkQee0EOFnBGU+ow4Z GrsiFq3HVITo2s9LhuEvUQa9PsYzxI+AoUfukHBjStMOi/QuiCaKpMDEhc51f4xitOPT 1xGxXIwh+pTo2V3GBs2nuHk7/4+fOBhKocV0VTPMOZFFpIEY7ru4LGDwzheU1zLF4Leh 7HYg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.222.40 with SMTP id qj8mr77829629vec.36.1357257195437; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.13.197 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:53:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20130103201946.GA18038@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:53:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ian Johnson To: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] [eitanp32@gmail.com: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some lujvo] X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5913430558981998946==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org --===============5913430558981998946== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc8fd000c03304d26b1197 --047d7bdc8fd000c03304d26b1197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I suppose I can think of this, though as with {binxo} I don't think banro2 as a concrete object makes any sense. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >> >>> Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible >>> vagueness that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is superfluous. >>> >> >> Or that {banro} is superfluous. >> > > I understand {banro} to be growth as in "a caterpillar grows into a > butterfly", which is wholly different from "Jacob grows from 4', 90lbs. to > 6', 170 lbs.". > > >> stevo >> >> >>> >>> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell < >>> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone should feel free to suggest >>>> a fix. >>>> >>>> -Robin >>>> >>>> ----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky ----- >>>> >>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500 >>>> From: Eitan Postavsky >>>> To: rt-jvs@lojban.org >>>> Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some >>>> lujvo >>>> >>>> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow >>>> As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. >>>> It >>>> seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase in size", >>>> but >>>> that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger". I don't >>>> know. >>>> The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what >>>> places >>>> they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain >>>> conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss. >>>> >>>> ----- End forwarded message ----- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >>>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e >>>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e >>>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu >>>> sofybakni li'u >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbovlaste mailing list >>>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbovlaste mailing list >>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbovlaste mailing list >> jbovlaste@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > _______________________________________________ > jbovlaste mailing list > jbovlaste@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste > > --047d7bdc8fd000c03304d26b1197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suppose I can think of this, though as with {binxo} I don't think ban= ro2 as a concrete object makes any sense.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson= <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible vagueness = that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is superfluous.

Or that {banro} is superfluous.=A0

I understand {banro} to be growth as in &= quot;a caterpillar grows into a butterfly", which is wholly different = from "Jacob grows from 4', 90lbs. to 6', 170 lbs.".
=A0
stevo
=A0
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digit= alkingdom.org> wrote:
I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone shou= ld feel free to suggest
a fix.

-Robin

----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com> -----

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500
From: Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com>
To: rt-jvs@lojban.or= g
Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with s= ome lujvo

h= ttp://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow
As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. It seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase= in size", but
that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger&quo= t;. I don't know.
The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what pla= ces
they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain<= br> conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss= .

----- End forwarded message -----

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