Received: from localhost ([::1]:55967 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqubT-000413-08; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:39 -0800 Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com ([209.85.220.171]:56772) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TqubK-0003zr-Hq for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:36 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n11so15880951vch.16 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EPKvQWoQvwFt9yt7E6bNTck0gAkuViORK/gVq82yexw=; b=X/MpLyUq58htmvywzcPaoKr7EkzVXw1D3jM08DGFzM5NFCZvjENLW6q2KLujxWm2dN 1lskA2hFqsGuaPAdJL5zr1x+MrMBAWWsjBGAN5Pab5/lk05IqRUJ9gc76Gm6mK1bVcZo HxsZM24HrNUb1r6dbFIIdw4N2v2FgeXF+qOW6PYcJMonl9HDkeOnm8P3vKTlh33lNd9a slB/cPZQCHBQuvO6HrhMHf4RYDCQVPl3LpfJQ2x2C8C+j9fKVZxy5Uc5i/sHMTC0EKtD 2LfAmhDgX3L8q5CQIs7HLj6SS9pMD7itXz1GYpoeF0WOrFcASDnMvRvpKxKStRUoFmLa AkhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.91.73 with SMTP id cc9mr66002896vdb.48.1357257204095; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 15:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.13.197 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 15:53:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20130103201946.GA18038@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ian Johnson To: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] [eitanp32@gmail.com: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some lujvo] X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7971112676242302492==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org --===============7971112676242302492== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f333884dbcd04d26b1173 --20cf307f333884dbcd04d26b1173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 s/think of/agree with On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > I suppose I can think of this, though as with {binxo} I don't think banro2 > as a concrete object makes any sense. > > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible >>>> vagueness that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is superfluous. >>>> >>> >>> Or that {banro} is superfluous. >>> >> >> I understand {banro} to be growth as in "a caterpillar grows into a >> butterfly", which is wholly different from "Jacob grows from 4', 90lbs. to >> 6', 170 lbs.". >> >> >>> stevo >>> >>> >>>> >>>> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell < >>>> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone should feel free to suggest >>>>> a fix. >>>>> >>>>> -Robin >>>>> >>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky >>>>> ----- >>>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500 >>>>> From: Eitan Postavsky >>>>> To: rt-jvs@lojban.org >>>>> Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with some >>>>> lujvo >>>>> >>>>> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow >>>>> As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. >>>>> It >>>>> seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase in size", >>>>> but >>>>> that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger". I don't >>>>> know. >>>>> The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what >>>>> places >>>>> they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain >>>>> conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss. >>>>> >>>>> ----- End forwarded message ----- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >>>>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e >>>>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e >>>>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu >>>>> sofybakni li'u >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbovlaste mailing list >>>>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbovlaste mailing list >>>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbovlaste mailing list >>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jbovlaste mailing list >> jbovlaste@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >> >> > --20cf307f333884dbcd04d26b1173 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable s/think of/agree with

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013= at 6:53 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote= :
I suppose I can think of this, though as wit= h {binxo} I don't think banro2 as a concrete object makes any sense.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at= 6:08 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jan = 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote= :
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ian Johnson= <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems to me that {banro} is {barda zenba}, with all the possible vagueness = that barda2/barda3 introduce, and that {brabi'o} is superfluous.

Or that {banro} is superfluous.=A0

I understand {banro} to be growth as in &= quot;a caterpillar grows into a butterfly", which is wholly different = from "Jacob grows from 4', 90lbs. to 6', 170 lbs.".
=A0
stevo
=A0
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digit= alkingdom.org> wrote:
I agree this seems a bit wonky; someone shou= ld feel free to suggest
a fix.

-Robin

----- Forwarded message from Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com> -----

Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 13:09:20 -0500
From: Eitan Postavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com>
To: rt-jvs@lojban.or= g
Subject: {banro} gets default sense of "grow"; conflicting with s= ome lujvo

h= ttp://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/grow
As you can see, there is a default sense and three specialized senses. It seems to me that {banro} means "grow" in the sense "increase= in size", but
that is disturbingly similar to {brabi'o}'s "become larger&quo= t;. I don't know.
The only difference I can see between {brabi'o} and {banro} is what pla= ces
they come with, and it's not very nice to say "only under certain<= br> conditions and previous size not implied" in {brabi'o}'s gloss= .

----- End forwarded message -----

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