Received: from localhost ([::1]:43351 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TtpCJ-0003zS-W9; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:43:44 -0800 Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43]:59156) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TtpCA-0003zJ-OK for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:43:42 -0800 Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id eg20so2331085lab.16 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:43:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=OEapybZBwGKsgUJ3Bdb4oC6vhYPXpWBCovO/udpNZcU=; b=azv4UC3oiuPj7xc299nIvl3t1l/zOZgZthXEwnt5tv3Mnfs8Or78Nwj2JtehFgncPw RiBwnQPsQUWvUu0ugFYXeve6FhDOOKAx90azmahAsLYQYKfkqk8ddkvfpBCoq86lVt+e ErIBGObs0U7NKQKIzond2YOHNyl98kXkQ/6bNriLXh/jXo4AFwwNQarJzTgaW5Pr8YwD +VL2wrWPSzkfQwasqH1M7DUptlp4zie9YbyPV+FBqpcKBJaHA3RgqFASIovy8UdegQWl kEuHB3tddEi1QfassJIJKvCC/6Slk/tmupDhdLxtCnO9ZJF71rNw70hkuycl6qtqoo+M Gjog== Received: by 10.112.25.106 with SMTP id b10mr30910195lbg.68.1357951406873; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:43:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.21.5 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:43:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1787963.147olisiCP@caracal> From: Joe Anderson Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:43:06 -0600 Message-ID: To: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] mifsle X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5552032813671980459==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org --===============5552032813671980459== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401240b3a9ea904d30cb3fb --f46d0401240b3a9ea904d30cb3fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Does it make sense to have {mifsle} be a block of code and {mivmifsle} be a codon? Since I don't expect "code that is alive" to be a likely context, it makes sense to me as "code for living things". (Relatedly, does {mivmifra} make sense for DNA, RNA, or similar?) Additionally, wouldn't the default place structure of {mifsle} start with s1, the indivisible subunit? -Joe Anderson On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Eitan Postavsky wrote: > On closer inspection, I see that in both cases you're actually expressing > {termifsle}, the smallest unit that is handled by a coding system. Okay. In > that case, I fall back on my suggestion that it would not hurt to give it > both meanings, to be disambiguated (or not) by context. And consider using > {termifsle}, not {mifsle} :P > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Eitan Postavsky wrote: > >> Strictly speaking, the second place structure is for {selmifsle}, while >> the first is for {mifsle}. I don't think it would hurt for {mifsle} to have >> both meanings, do you? That said, it seems easy enough to coin both words: >> {mifsle} for block of a cipher, {selmifsle} for block of some plaintext. >> That's what I would do. >> >> I'm pretty sure that in the genetic code, the amino acid is the >> plaintext, because amino acids do all the useful protein magic while codons >> just sit there in an easy-to-manipulate format. >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> I proposed this word for "codon", but it could also mean "block of a >>> cipher". >>> Should the place structure be "x1 is the smallest ciphertext that can be >>> decrypted by x2" or "x1 is the smallest plaintext that can be encrypted >>> by >>> x2"? In the genetic code, which is plaintext, the codon or the amino >>> acid? >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jbovlaste mailing list >>> jbovlaste@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > jbovlaste mailing list > jbovlaste@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste > > --f46d0401240b3a9ea904d30cb3fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does it make sense to have {mifsle} be a block of code and= {mivmifsle} be a codon? Since I don't expect "code that is alive&= quot; to be a likely context, it makes sense to me as "code for living= things".
(Relatedly, does {mivmifra} make sense for DNA, RNA, or similar?)

Additionally, wouldn't the default place structur= e of {mifsle} start with s1, the indivisible subunit?

=C2=A0-Joe Anderson


On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Eitan P= ostavsky <eitanp32@gmail.com> wrote:
On closer inspection, I see that in both cases you're actually expressi= ng {termifsle}, the smallest unit that is handled by a coding system. Okay.= In that case, I fall back on my suggestion that it would not hurt to give = it both meanings, to be disambiguated (or not) by context. And consider usi= ng {termifsle}, not {mifsle} :P


On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Eitan Posta= vsky <eitanp32@gmail.com> wrote:
Strictly speaking, the second place structure is for {selmifsle}, while the= first is for {mifsle}. I don't think it would hurt for {mifsle} to hav= e both meanings, do you? That said, it seems easy enough to coin both words= : {mifsle} for block of a cipher, {selmifsle} for block of some plaintext. = That's what I would do.

I'm pretty sure that in the genetic code, the amino acid is the pla= intext, because amino acids do all the useful protein magic while codons ju= st sit there in an easy-to-manipulate format.


On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
I proposed this word for "codon", but it could also mean "bl= ock of a cipher".
Should the place structure be "x1 is the smallest ciphertext that can = be
decrypted by x2" or "x1 is the smallest plaintext that can be enc= rypted by
x2"? In the genetic code, which is plaintext, the codon or the amino a= cid?

Pierre
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