Received: from localhost ([::1]:45683 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ttwag-000698-B7; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:37:22 -0800 Received: from imta-35.everyone.net ([216.200.145.35]:53194 helo=imta-38.everyone.net) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TtwaZ-000692-Lr for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:37:20 -0800 Received: from pps.filterd (omta006 [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id r0C8ZOwe005512 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:37:14 -0800 X-Eon-Dm: dm0202 Received: by dm0202.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ceb75b) id dm0202.50ef917f.1c796b for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:37:13 -0800 X-Eon-Sig: AQNcFAlQ8SC5XzO34gIAAAAB,5e3b08786c6840a6bc3f23f5fbc1d18b X-Originating-Ip: 67.206.183.91 Message-ID: <50F120AF.8040809@valint.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:37:03 -0800 From: Compu-Celebi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-12_02:2013-01-11,2013-01-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1211240000 definitions=main-1301120008 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] Gride sound, tip of the tongue, and missing a step on a staircase X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============3779003912300988362==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3779003912300988362== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040809040803040400070205" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040809040803040400070205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by imta-38.everyone.net id r0C8ZOwe005512 On 1/11/2013 4:55 PM, Eitan Postavsky wrote: > 3) terserspaji: sp2 is surprised by step st3 while traversing stairs,=20 > surprised either that it exists or that it doesn't exist; sp2=20 > unexpectedly hits floor when expecting to step on step st3; sp2=20 > unexpectedly hits step st3 when expecting to step on floor. Every /terserspaji/ must be an unexpected stepping, not a surprised=20 stepper, because every /terserspaji/ is a /spaji/ and every /spaji/ is a=20 surprising/startling/unexpected event/action, and /terserti/ are neither=20 events/actions nor /spaji///. Therefore, regardless of whether the=20 arguments are mentioned in the order in which you intended their places=20 to be (which I cannot ascertain because "x1" and "x2" are excluded),=20 your place structure is flawed. Ipropose this alternative (which includes the /serti/, also, as an=20 argument): x1=3Dsp1 is an event/action of x2=3Dsp2 unexpectedly stepping off=20 stairs/stairway/steps x3=3Dst2, instead of onto step x4=3Dst3, or onto st= ep=20 x3=3Dst4, instead of off stairs/stairway/steps x3=3Dst2 > 4) And finally, an experiment. Here's yet another of these lujvo:=20 > {selsnemojmo'i}. What meaning do you think I have in mind for it? I conjecture that it is "/d=E9j=E0 vu/," although {selsneselmojmo'i} is=20 better, because what is recollected is the memory, not the entity that=20 does the recollecting, and eliding one "sel" but not the other would be=20 inconsistent. --------------040809040803040400070205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 1/11/2013 4:55 PM, Eitan Postavsky wrote:
3) terserspaji: sp2 is surprised by step st3 while traversing stairs, surprised either that it exists or that it doesn't exist; sp2 unexpectedly hits floor when expecting to step on step st3; sp2 unexpectedly hits step st3 when expecting to step on floor.
Every terserspaji must be an unexpected stepping, not a surprised stepper, because every terserspaji is a spaji and every spaji is a surprising/startling/unexpected event/action, and terserti are neither events/actions nor spaji.  Therefore, regardless of whether the arguments are mentioned in the order in which you intended their places to be (which I cannot ascertain because "x1" and "x2" are excluded), your place structure is flawed.

I propose this alternative (which includes the serti, also, as an argument):

x1=sp1 is an event/action of x2=sp2 unexpectedly stepping off stairs/stairway/steps x3=st2, instead of onto step x4=st3, or onto step x3=st4, instead of off stairs/stairway/steps x3=st2
4) And finally, an experiment. Here's yet another of these lujvo: {selsnemojmo'i}. What meaning do you think I have in mind for it?
I conjecture that it is "déjà vu," although {selsneselmojmo'i} is better, because what is recollected is the memory, not the entity that does the recollecting, and eliding one "sel" but not the other would be inconsistent.
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