Received: from localhost ([::1]:50964 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tz72u-0006bW-Lv; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:47:52 -0800 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]:33064) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tz72l-0006bQ-6E for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:47:50 -0800 Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id u54so644438wey.2 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:47:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DB8oogYUiP60h9rotf3/ifOs2jBoiKGGLwmZW2JTcbM=; b=e8IHTpP4T9KVw3Wx9ivMvY41BbxyRvWFlimqCa1X26rlpA4mFn7xLK6655XLs343/4 gCW7nISYm1eR1jDPl7BzGtG1CtrSrmN4EOXmt/UptbOn68Ffw80AoKqM/+xKDZOvoFc6 rOoiTbPwZjrMHB3JGw45SG8LrXaUtff1IKzbybFMFHioz6LCUQK4Cy4UMEvGJTE8M97g fNmVOR3CeHK9u2ZDRLoYO8N7ARdWoLNmk2tYYn1UsdNgaJPsey/91iL1d3EA61+vtFzN HEYVUgPaQsxg/NLpCKWwToNyNu6Bc/3rNaZGyzGcKxHLt1W5Zi58fL6FmuZE4VbwMOeS iz+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.242.69 with SMTP id wo5mr13729590wjc.10.1359211655117; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.37.132 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:47:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2280337.Rh2ZGRfqHJ@caracal> References: <2280337.Rh2ZGRfqHJ@caracal> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:47:34 +0400 Message-ID: From: Gleki Arxokuna To: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [jbovlaste] berbere, berberi X-BeenThere: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8885626542030207029==" Errors-To: jbovlaste-bounces@lojban.org --===============8885626542030207029== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122f0fee0bb0604d4321f8d --089e0122f0fee0bb0604d4321f8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:24:19 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > Let's imagine that we have a brivla. Let it be {selseli}. > > > > Now imagine that you see a rafsi {selsely-}. Is it a rafsi of {selseli}= ? > Or > > may be there is another brivla, {selsela}? Or may be there is no > {selsela} > > but it'll be added later, may be in 50 years making old texts with > > {selsely-} ambiguous. > > > > If we allow brivla that differ in the last vowel only then we should > delete > > that proposal of fu'ivla rafsi from CLL. This is not human-friendly. > > {selsely-} is not a rafsi. It is the concatenation of two {sel}, which is > the > rafsi of {se}, and the interfix {-y-}. There is therefore no problem with > having {selseli} and {selsela}. > > {krataig}, on the other hand, is a fu'ivla rafsi. {krataigo} is a fu'ivla= , > and > neither {krataig} nor {rataig} can be decomposed into any number of raf3 > followed by 0 or 1 raf4 or gismu. Therefore we can't have {krataigo} and > {krataige} meaning different things. > Can we have {tci'ili} as a fu'ivla? > > Pierre > -- > La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > > _______________________________________________ > jbovlaste mailing list > jbovlaste@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/jbovlaste > --089e0122f0fee0bb0604d4321f8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Pierre Abbat &l= t;phma@bezitopo.org<= /a>> wrote:
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:24:19 G= leki Arxokuna wrote:
> Let's imagine that we have a brivla. Let it be {selseli}.
>
> Now imagine that you see a rafsi {selsely-}. Is it a rafsi of {selseli= }? Or
> may be there is another brivla, {selsela}? Or may be there is no {sels= ela}
> but it'll be added later, may be in 50 years making old texts with=
> {selsely-} ambiguous.
>
> If we allow brivla that differ in the last vowel only then we should d= elete
> that proposal of fu'ivla rafsi from CLL. This is not human-friendl= y.

{selsely-} is not a rafsi. It is the concatenation of two {sel}, whic= h is the
rafsi of {se}, and the interfix {-y-}. There is therefore no problem with having {selseli} and {selsela}.

{krataig}, on the other hand, is a fu'ivla rafsi. {krataigo} is a fu= 9;ivla, and
neither {krataig} nor {rataig} can be decomposed into any number of raf3 followed by 0 or 1 raf4 or gismu. Therefore we can't have {krataigo} an= d
{krataige} meaning different things.

Can we have {tci'ili} as a fu'ivla?=C2=A0

Pierre
--
La sal en el mar es m=C3=A1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.


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