From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 25 13:10:10 2011 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3DKk-0001GQ-OT for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:10:10 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q3DKf-0001Ck-Oi for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:10:10 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ToWar1fa9ljTHbeJIRNQycBnYxCRNi5M/11QAwRcJ6A= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=9rJKxV6PWvMA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=XvJ98YKRzgvLFDnMqE8A:9 a=FxtYRv1kut8-z0R4BEvLpVf9vyYA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:39034] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 5F/D3-29678-486FC8D4; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:09:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E3C10197 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Music terminology Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:09:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <700241.13714.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201103251609.33032.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 5 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste On Friday 25 March 2011 12:29:10 tijlan wrote: > If I were to Lojbanize "symphony", I would say "simfoni", which would > more easily be recognized by speakers of non-Western languages such as > Indonesian (simfoni) and Japanese (シンフォニー | shinfonii). I agree with "simfoni". In many languages, including Greek where the word comes from, a nasal consonant assimilates to a following "f". The Japanese ン, though transliterated "n", is a generic nasal. Spanish writes "sinfonía", where the "n" is pronounced as a labiodental. Lojban does distinguish between "nf" and "mf", and should write "mf" in this word. (So does English: "unfounded" versus "dumbfounded" is an example.) Btw, the Aramaic word סומפניה (sumponyah) in Daniel 3:5 looks like a borrowing from the same Greek word. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.