Return-path: Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:24:11 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CneuS-0005B6-Ek; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:23:16 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from phma.hn.org ([216.189.113.165] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CneuO-0005A8-JG for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 07:23:13 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3CD8B84AC; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:22:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Abbat Organization: dis To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: to injure Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:21:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20050109100728.GF4597@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20050109100728.GF4597@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501091021.54281.phma@phma.hn.org> X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Content-Length: 572 Lines: 17 On Sunday 09 January 2005 05:07, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > So, is xairgau "to injure" or "injure in the sense of intransitive > verb" or what? > > We should standardize on something; this has come up a lot. "to" should be left off verbs; it is not part of the lexical form. {xairgau} is not intransitive; even plain {xrani} is transitive. I think "cause injury" is a better gloss than "injure", but "cause injury" could also be a gloss for {xainri'a}, so maybe {xairgau} should be disambiguated with "agentive". phma -- .i le babzba ba zbasu lo jbazbabu lo babjba