Return-path: Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:53:55 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DBsc1-0001IN-9k; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:52:26 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DBsbr-0001ID-N5 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:52:12 -0800 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67] ident=[qoDiDqjkjGYBQ1JmAVzTb6ev2s1NvjEb]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DBsbh-0001Hm-4c for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:52:10 -0800 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]:6625 "EHLO grey.nvg.ntnu.no" ident: "[A4nKQ+CA6VvQxG6T8XpQSwxEXi8mVnCO]" whoson: "-unregistered-") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:51:46 +0100 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.68]) by grey.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C45494755 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:50:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:50:50 +0100 (CET) From: Arnt Richard Johansen X-X-Sender: arj@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: buckwheat In-Reply-To: <200503170522.55821.phma@phma.hn.org> Message-ID: References: <200503162138.17076.phma@phma.hn.org> <20050317055154.GM3514@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200503170522.55821.phma@phma.hn.org> X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Content-Length: 1439 Lines: 33 On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 17 March 2005 00:51, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> Ideally, by adding the two words you listed above with sorrel and >> rhubarb as the gloss words. >> >> Perhaps I'm missing the problem? > > Ignoring the synonym, we have four Lojban words and three English words. So we > could set the glosses to: > xruba -> rhubarb, sorrel, buckwheat > stanyxruba -> rhubarb > pezyxruba -> sorrel > xrixruba -> buckwheat > Depending on the votes, one of the Lojban words will not appear in the > English-Lojban part. Adding "Polygonaceae" as a gloss doesn't solve this, > because most English speakers (at least the ones I know) don't know the word > and don't even know that these plants are in the same family. (I didn't until > I learned the word {xruba}, and I know more taxonomy than most people.) My opinion is that the most specific words get the back-links. Hence, no English word will point to {xruba}. I don't see this as a big problem, if there is no simple English word or phrase that refers to Polygonaceae -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ I think it's fair to say that a lot of Hikawa's popularity is due to the novelty factor of his youth; most male enka singers look like they've been driving trucks up and down the Tomei Highway for 20 years while living on a diet of ramen, shochu and shabu (speed). -Steve McClure