Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.7-deb Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:44 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnOjk-00068H-6A; Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:36 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnOjT-000687-Ck for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:11 -0700 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.232]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnOjO-00067r-JL for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:10 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 60so1436036wri for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ltOI0/WGTceQVwx9nJYzuw2Wp3mlvnkAJPqi2x3yySqOsZZjQ1wyQcKiwrn9DIxjHRsebiTxicPASA7SJTXObvjnrzpO9w1jZ6kx++SbNgP0IhYwBe3w710bR96n/3iHJ/fz8hPyIt9/cmoXkMhX1yJ/pssOocjVkoYzWEMLKUw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dCGvAJgKVTN3WHDqBlVoi8JiuMEmRC0axy2FbEMyYg+0ORL/ns8FF7rCuzLTZYkCKzmIhdxP4LyVdK5U8bYIPo2lZVhTMzxsfAbvI6C68vkFHcg+5BnM2vAI2cKYUKScZjhH4B+/e2az3JIBcgZdpZfTSB0iRBVrPL9ysnZIV5E= Received: by 10.115.108.1 with SMTP id k1mr767617wam.1179103680676; Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.241.10 with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e1a5a010705131748p5a54181vf2dca41ae45136bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:48:00 -0700 From: "Eric Yu" To: jbovlaste@lojban.org, lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: [lojban] jbovlaste natlang word voting question In-Reply-To: <20070513035539.GZ16151@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070513031708.GX16151@digitalkingdom.org> <20070513035539.GZ16151@digitalkingdom.org> X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyu100@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1560 Lines: 40 Well, it's useful to give the most frequently used word, but the alternatives should be explicitly specified (you don't have to go somewhere else to find them). On 5/12/07, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:17:08PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > A jbovlaste question; if you don't care about how jbovlaste works or > > is laid out, move along. > > > > I'm pondering the nature of natlang word voting; look at > > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/computer%20program for > > example (if anyone can suggest a better example, where "better" is > > defined here as "more contention", please speak up). > > > > I'm wondering if natlang word voting buys us anything. I mean, a > > Lojban word has only one meaning, so it's not Ok for the second > > place of sampli to mean both "computer program" and "astronaut". > > :) But it *is* OK for "computer program" to map to both sampli and > > samtci, as occurs on that page. I don't see a lot of value to > > preferring one over the other; maybe if they're both above water > > (a positive vote value) we should have both in the dictionary? > > > > What do you all think? > > Someone pointed out that you couldn't acutally derive that second > place of sampli from its components, so I've corrected that. Try > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/ball instead for an example > of multiple natlang usages; if the dictionary said something like > "ball - first place of bolci, second place of selboi", would that be > a bad thing? > > -Robin > > > >