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Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Random thought on how to make fu'ivla
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That is exactly what I attempted to do a year ago, proposing a fu'ivla
as a contracted version of the lujvo "matryrelxilma'e" (motorcycle).
Unfortunately, my lack of understanding of the morphology at that time
had led me to the invalid "trxlma'e". The last reply I received on
this matter was from Pierre:

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On Friday 10 April 2009 20:38:15 A. PIEKARSKI wrote:
> I didn't know you can convert lujvo into fu'ivla.  Can you refer me to
> where that is described?  I couldn't find it in CLL.

It's not described anywhere that I know of, and I don't think it warrants
doing unless either the components of the lujvo don't match the meaning at
all, or the word is too common for the length of the lujvo, or you're
translating an acronym (which implies that in the language the acronym was
made in, it was too common for the length of the phrase). Just being short in
English isn't enough. Languages vary greatly in the length of the word for
particular concepts; for instance, the Greek for the short word "skill" is
the heptasyllabic "επιτηδειοτητα".

I've made up "vonpaso" (which is not formed from a lujvo, but it does have
nothing to do with the number 419, except as an entry in a Nigerian law book)
and a few translations of acronyms which I forget. I don't think
that "matryrelxilma'e" warrants shortening like this. It would be useful,
though, to distinguish between a motorcycle, a moped, and a motorized
bicycle.
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I still think this lujvo-fu'ivla conversion can be a good idea when
selectively and sparingly done.

BTW, some other monstrous lujvos:
nalvo'aba'ubinselba'u (buffer sound)
nunboitipyjvikezboi (football ball)
sutkemjupsabdja (fast food)

mu'o mi'e tijlan


2010/1/11 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:
>
> It seems to me that we should make fu'ivla, at least sometimes, the
> way English does: by contracting annoyingly long compound words.
>
> Example: "cellphone", which is its own word short for "cellular
> telephone" (at least), which are themselves compounds if I'm not
> mistaken.  It seems to me that we could do something similar, by
> creating the crazy-long jvajvo word and then, if it's popular,
> ripping parts out in such a way as to create a *fu'ivla* rather than
> a less-jva-jvo
>
> Just a thought.
>
> -Robin
>
> --
> They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
> And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something
> other  than  the default  outcome?"  See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>
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