Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:18:56 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OutwT-0004B5-K9; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:18:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Outvo-0004Ax-CZ for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:17:48 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Outvn-0004Aq-PE for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:17:48 -0700 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:17:47 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: [jvsw] New NatLang Word accretion disk -- By VesRul Message-ID: <20100912211747.GT13937@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: jbovlaste@lojban.org References: <20100909163902.GY2984@nvg.org> <20100912072605.GA4792@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20100912072605.GA4792@nvg.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1478 Lines: 38 On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 09:26:05AM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 03:31:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Does jbovlaste warn about the sense field during word > > submission, or only on the automatic notice as below? > > I tried that, but unfortunately no. As long as the word “accretion > disk; astronomy” exists, if you try to submit a definition that > points to just “accretion disk”, you can't get past the “Check > Definition” part of the submission. > > This is a Jbovlaste bug, of course, It's not actually; it's behaving exactly as designed. The idea was that natlang words should almost always have senses, because natlang words are almost always polysemous. Furthermore, if you had to put a sense for the word once, *clearly* it's polysemous, and having it without a sense is wrong. Now, since then, we've moved in the direction of not caring about the senses as much, but the second half is still true: if "accretion disk" is not specific enough by itself, such that someone had to enter the sense "astronomy", then "accretion disk" must be ambiguous and should not be allowed. Why do you think that this behaviour is bad? -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/