Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:29:39 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ouu6t-00006S-Ge; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:29:16 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ouu6M-00004z-4z for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:28:42 -0700 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ouu6H-0008Kr-00 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:28:41 -0700 Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so6038095wyf.40 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RIL/ynArXAxTH+MXPrYdiStQ+47BudvUaliEddHfF4M=; b=nZOLCrJO0DpzuXgF+StsCU+8h0Bl+P3zsgFdYZPqbR+/LTEO0hPqiDLq4WSNpC3urx 4xkfXTNEGSYTYBTeyW8n7Wh4z6kJEbDKMq7bdvMFYudhfl3wU4IY+XJsl+euG83r0tOx Mml3oVjr6SZVI4xwpzbs/GPLnRs/P2Rv+j73E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=P19PqsgvMkeNLocPZ3gsDsprx5jK3jJ/Vn2jUmwq2rGz1id6Tz56+ZCJ/2eh+fKMWU I9vn/JJ1fxsayMLrgXG/XcWmhV25Cek+I+sjH6fv392RzbAhQBMF5yDncb0/jv25mwCJ iBijSx9aNratPqSXieoajYnqWsLMLHAbFAeh4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.162.78 with SMTP id x56mr3532325wek.80.1284326910444; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.22.199 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100912211747.GT13937@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100909163902.GY2984@nvg.org> <20100912072605.GA4792@nvg.org> <20100912211747.GT13937@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:28:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: [jvsw] New NatLang Word accretion disk -- By VesRul From: Jonathan Jones To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64f61d245c534049016a905 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 3979 Lines: 102 --0016e64f61d245c534049016a905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 09:26:05AM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 03:31:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > Does jbovlaste warn about the sense field during word > > > submission, or only on the automatic notice as below? > > > > I tried that, but unfortunately no. As long as the word =93accretion > > disk; astronomy=94 exists, if you try to submit a definition that > > points to just =93accretion disk=94, you can't get past the =93Check > > Definition=94 part of the submission. > > > > This is a Jbovlaste bug, of course, > > It's not actually; it's behaving exactly as designed. The idea was > that natlang words should almost always have senses, because natlang > words are almost always polysemous. > > Furthermore, if you had to put a sense for the word once, *clearly* > it's polysemous, and having it without a sense is wrong. > > Now, since then, we've moved in the direction of not caring about > the senses as much, but the second half is still true: if "accretion > disk" is not specific enough by itself, such that someone had to > enter the sense "astronomy", then "accretion disk" must be ambiguous > and should not be allowed. > > Why do you think that this behaviour is bad? > > -Robin It could also be that the creator thought that the "sense" field was a required item, and filled it in for that reason, and not because of any ambiguity. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e64f61d245c534049016a905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Robin Lee Powel= l <rlpo= well@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 09:26:05AM +0200, Arnt Richard Johansen
wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 03:31:42PM -0600, Jonathan J= ones wrote:
> > Does jbovlaste warn about the sense field during word
> > submission, or only on the automatic notice as below?
>
> I tried that, but unfortunately no. As long as the word =93accretion > disk; astronomy=94 exists, if you try to submit a definition that
> points to just =93accretion disk=94, you can't get past the =93Che= ck
> Definition=94 part of the submission.
>
> This is a Jbovlaste bug, of course,

It's not actually; it's behaving exactly as designed. =A0The = idea was
that natlang words should almost always have senses, because natlang
words are almost always polysemous.

Furthermore, if you had to put a sense for the word once, *clearly*
it's polysemous, and having it without a sense is wrong.

Now, since then, we've moved in the direction of not caring about
the senses as much, but the second half is still true: if "accretion disk" is not specific enough by itself, such that someone had to
enter the sense "astronomy", then "accretion disk" must= be ambiguous
and should not be allowed.

Why do you think that this behaviour is bad?

-Robin

It could also be= that the creator thought that the "sense" field was a required i= tem, and filled it in for that reason, and not because of any ambiguity.


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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

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