Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.7-deb Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:35:59 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HncaA-0008QN-UJ; Mon, 14 May 2007 08:35:33 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 14 May 2007 08:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HncYP-0008PY-RF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 08:33:42 -0700 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HncYM-0008PN-2S for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 08:33:41 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08089C09F for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l4DE18xO003710 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:01:08 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l4DE18Yd003709 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:01:08 +0200 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:01:08 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [jbovlaste] jbovlaste natlang word voting question Message-ID: <20070513140108.GD18621@nvg.org> References: <20070513031708.GX16151@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070513031708.GX16151@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-archive-position: 13717 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 1236 Lines: 22 On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 08:17:08PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > As a related philosophical issue, is it OK for the second place of > sampli to mean both "computer program" and "computer" (as is > currently the case)? Why or why not? I'm honestly not sure one way > or the other. No. Because "se sampli" doesn't actually *mean* "computer program" or "computer", but "something that is used by a computer user". Pointing people to "sampli" when they were looking for a good translation of "computer program" or "computer" is misleading. Perhaps a more extreme example would help illustrate this. Suppose that someone writes an entry for "tikpa" in which the x2 points to "thing". That is correct, strictly speaking, because the x2 of "tikpa" always is a thing. But it is misleading, because not every thing is a se tikpa. Likewise, not every computer and computer program is a se sampli. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Information wants to be anthropomorphized! To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.