Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:04:54 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq6v1-0000WY-Hy; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:04:43 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq6uE-0000WJ-13 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:03:50 -0700 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.16] helo=mail.cec.wustl.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq6u9-0000Vh-4A for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:03:49 -0700 Received: from grid.cec.wustl.edu (grid.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.20.97]) by mail.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0D61E8040; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:03:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: by grid.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix, from userid 29287) id 7DB3D1F7896; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:03:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grid.cec.wustl.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C2A1F7893; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:03:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:03:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: A meta-level comment on the list In-Reply-To: <20090914162833.GD7540@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: References: <3cf171fe0909140628pe3b296dm49a87c6255fd47ef@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930909140752r32d78c96p5a2045f7d03012f3@mail.gmail.com> <20090914162833.GD7540@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1989 Lines: 49 >> But we might also want to create another one specifically for >> jbovlaste tasks. > > I'd really rather you didn't. The point here is that people with > jbovlaste accounts are *automatically* subscribed to this list. We > had problems in the past where people who signed up for accounts > were not participating in discussions about how to use the system, > and would keep doing whatever wrong things they were doing until we > went and contacted them personally. I wholeheartedly approve of the idea that everyone with a jbovlaste account is in on the jbovlaste discussions, so they're participating and being aware of what's happening. That said, I wonder whether the announcements of word changes are critical for all users. We're finally starting to see some real work being done, and it's fantastic, but it is becoming a lot of mail. I wonder whether it would be better to keep everyone subscribed to a hypothetical jbovlaste-discuss (where we can all discuss ideas, particular words, etc), and create an optional subscription to jbovlaste-changes (which gets automatic mail any time any word is changed). As a bigger change for the copious free time, it would be nice if the -changes mails were consolidated; right now creating a single lojban word sends a bunch of messages (new natlang word, new lojban word, new definition, new gloss words, new place keywords, etc etc). If all of that came as one mail, it would probably reduce the load significantly. > > The system we're using allows peple to easily unsubscribe > themselves, but I've got a system in place to put them back > until/unless their account is disabled. I'd really rather not have > to replicate it for Google Groups. > > What I can do, and have done, is make the new account page a *LOT* > more clear as to the purpose of the account: > > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/newaccount.html > > -Robin > > -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ If Life is a test, did you remember your #2 pencil?