Return-path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on chain.digitalkingdom.org Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 07 May 2010 10:41:17 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([192.168.123.127]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OARXd-0002Cg-7y; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:40:55 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 07 May 2010 10:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OARXE-0002CX-72 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:40:25 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f183.google.com ([209.85.221.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OARX8-0002C2-Sn for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:40:24 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so1950317qyk.1 for ; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:40:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DT6mPHrgRnsW5Rm3E9FJ0tZpves6J8pfOwbFNudJVQY=; b=T6yWH6vcxRRr5nP6HXphtKXbmZtLijO1nouockS/H4wa36xJ79wotR35L5TfLTVc31 eROqaGqQwgfLkraDzApTYAXVe32DC4aaEwZUuXw+VcwN38ezDNrSBsHNwnlCrHUYD4RB wYFGPjsDxt0hIYFGjwd3JJq7iHhL/19cUg2eE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rveBzi4FF68Sm/eybjIKzG/sYrXStmRZscuz7ac4epYkUeXuaD93eJvvDR3WSOlPyo Jq/5D5wbE9WrPGr9kwSgQU5nevlzWHWbnSDVPofhdUK7fqks4+e/glA/rKLipktkqKSC aBnGN+W803jCRt9yU9HQUHmaSGT8Jaaf4BW0Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.52.210 with SMTP id j18mr178965qag.80.1273254010971; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:40:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100507173217.GE29740@nvg.org> References: <20100507173217.GE29740@nvg.org> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 14:40:10 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: out of control From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 555 Lines: 15 On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:15:06PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > >>  Because of left grouping this implied to me that > > I can only guess that someone started with {se'itro}, and just tacked on a tol- to invert it without thinking about it much, since that the usual way of doing that with gismu. Is there any official or jvajvo rule that dictates left grouping of rafsi for lujvo? My understanding was that grouping in lujvo was normally left unspecified. mu'o mi'e xorxes