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Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Newbie: How does voting work, esp. with natural  words?
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:37:24 -0700
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Thanks for the answers. On the last part: that sort of seems like a  
bug to me. The point of having different natural-word senses being  
able to search "well", and get all the possible words that may  
correspond to it, right?

I'm wondering, is there a standard way of reporting bugs, then? Who  
fixes bugs?

Sincerely,
Joshua Choi


n 2 July 2009, at 8:41 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Joshua Choi<joshua@choi.name> wrote:
>> To the Jbovlaste people,
>>
>> I'm a newbie at Jbovlaste—my name is Joshua Choi. Pleased to meet  
>> all of
>> you!
>>
>> I'm having trouble understanding the voting page at
>> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org//help/voting.html. I understand the  
>> purpose of
>> voting for certain definitions. But I'd first like to ask for  
>> clarification
>> on the phrases "You can pick one [definition] per language". Does  
>> that
>> really mean that I can vote for only one definition? If I want to  
>> say that I
>> think certain definitions are better in many words, can I only pick  
>> one?
>> What is the reasoning behind the limitation?
>
>  This first part is easy.  It doesn't mean that you can only vote for
> one word ever.  It means that there are some entries in jbovlaste that
> have more than one definition in a given natural language (see
> http://jbovlaste.lojban.org//dict/mabla for example).  You can only
> vote for one English gloss for mabla, not both.  But you can cast your
> vote for however many other English glosses for other words as you
> want, just not more than one per natural language per lojban word.
>
>> I'm also having trouble understanding the way the voting system for  
>> natural
>> language words works. What is the relationship between "gloss  
>> keywords" and
>> "place keywords"? And, do new gloss words never show up in search  
>> queries
>> until other people vote for them?
>
>   Gloss keywords are the {English} words for the entire concept ("go"
> or "come" for klama, for example).
>   Place keywords are the {English} words for eaxh sumti place ("goer"
> for x1 of klama, "destination" for the x2 of klama, etc.)  Why they
> only allow one per place, I can't say.  I think that was an unwise
> decision, but there are probably programming reasons why that decision
> was reached)
>
>> Here's an example: I added a bunch of English gloss words to the  
>> dictionary.
>> For instance, "well" (default sense) formerly pointed to "jinto",  
>> which
>> refers to well in the sense of water source. "Well", however, has a  
>> lot of
>> other meanings, such as "in good health" or "satisfactorily done".  
>> So I
>> changed jinto's "well" to "well" in the sense of "source of water  
>> or other
>> fluid", and added glosses for "well" to kanro and xamgu. They show  
>> up at
>> "well"'s page too: http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/natlang/en/well. But  
>> when I
>> search for "well" in the query page, still only the original "well"  
>> shows
>> up. So why don't the other "well" senses show up?
>
>  They don't show up when you do a "Search Preferred Words" search,
> I'm guessing, because it's the "preferred" word for well, having
> 100,000 votes rather than the 2 votes the other translations of "well"
> has.  Apparently, the software doesn't take into account the "in the
> sense of" field as beig differeentiating when showing entries.
>
>       --gejyspa
>
>
>