Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:33:15 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ06t-0005AR-SC; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:33:03 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ066-00059S-KI for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:32:10 -0700 Received: from web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ05y-00052Q-HL for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:32:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 8129 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2009 14:31:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1247409096; bh=Ue+KLsnMvTI9VOH8PJtzoa9SEMz52Tu/1Si5azzmxpo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D4CBtnqJ1fLoBakJsvm0YM5ZO3EpE7dlBtTO5MuJZiO4qJbl7DTlDs4lSlp+sLhdqoTIFofFBSnA4Q3wN05sOpNsYXjGuPamXuC2fMSMv3pvTI/ecLdQbgHsejCWyOXTPKD93w7ll3OzpQvJhyabisE8l0IFDY+pQ3vk1UnTREw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DmqX+PYSqD2iEb0yqzngk1aQGOyR9p82aEU/3gqQi+BhEbMtIa8UcSvgfZ78t0RSF/Yoc0giP51r2LO8ae4gVcow90QHCwJc05bD8r0KNtfdFkzMbmL+e8bW1UrIE4PwJ1b36KOE+S0IVwLT7H2zIPB4QYWDy1giApecfrH2DHA=; Message-ID: <332626.7535.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WySzGiUVM1lD1o6tLYHX0LDoFOX9_gV53ei48igtPG_uwGfp0S1MzkgNTAUocEgQ5QSrTna6M7JVDheRMewnBzcuf6CA6eGaQMg1d0rxcLND_dCdyu9lhinszrIL32s3VORQz9rVupy2udesYUU0MiB1s9ssdDcsE6mvZExTmthOgTbL2EPC80p0Ek9FqI2v6HpRFt._o0kHVSuu1QvkMSBPrsfAv8FIZY4xNqgBEzwg78GsormwFBtSJzmg245VfSAJpQOBcriAbs5jihXzroPEZhNd5hFTm9hhR6mMNqZjg.bIR4EHH47z_yHpF.Y3ftahKA-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:31:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 References: <12d58c160907020926q110af50ct2305b84a6266d886@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930907021140s3100c9b9j28f6794c172dbbf3@mail.gmail.com> <832317.47152.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: jbovlaste new entries To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 904 Lines: 29 > >> > >> > >> flari'a (enact; legal) > >> r1=f5 enacts law r2=f1 for community f3 under condition r3=f4 > >> > > I guess it's OK to have alternatives, but be aware that jbovlaste > > already has {flatruci'e}, {zuktruci'e} and {pairtruci'e} for the three > > branches of government. > > It seems to me a bit unlojbanic to have {ciste} in these lujvo like trying to > distinguish a noun from a verb (govern vs. government). What additional > information/restriction does {ci'e} convey here? > > (I notice that the gismu list does have {truci'e} in the notes, though.) > In a representative democracy there are many interdependent people, processes and conventions involved in the three branches of government - hence 'systems'.  For me {flari'a} is valid but could, for example, mean nothing more than a tribal chief dictating/imposing  his whim ('law') on the tribe. mu'o mi'e andrus