Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:44:01 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ29P-0006UJ-7S; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:43:48 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ28W-0006Tk-Tj for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:42:49 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.248]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQ273-0006QT-2Z for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:42:44 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d40so3826299and.1 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=EWcNh5f8D+pqnicctYvJrKs5Nta4zj/IWVcCVE+Z6dc=; b=QW0I8xA/xPf96RZCasac8yRo5M1Lwz5laOrYtHHS2OfryGW67GGhWvuF7hVfJNd3N1 0sjnFsRjbXZ8RFaHGfrGpmlurO68Af40llmEKI2w1purvzQDtWt7o+wUHpp43Fzafyrt WMkPsDpiZ2BDKEDhcF3eRz959VXdw+jBdqLKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=qj7xNROcERpOeLWiThJRRMvsBzWbCUUXU63T9sAbTU0r/GrONHC6tTlOdca4tTtayU 0WtaGpMCMIs2DDLBy3QTUfEGKacckAp1HROq7QQFb8AfvS0v9iP9/jPEmUKrbNdlMCb5 mUwBcinTsOuJc1VXmhyai8Wi6sDQBSNMWagOM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.126.19 with SMTP id y19mr5799638anc.100.1247416875252; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <12d58c160907020926q110af50ct2305b84a6266d886@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930907021140s3100c9b9j28f6794c172dbbf3@mail.gmail.com> <832317.47152.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:41:15 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: beeb49d4cd1dda96 Message-ID: <12d58c160907120941u4cbbdfa2q8d3514769590bfaa@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: jbovlaste new entries From: "komfo,amonan" To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644d02cbc7b3d046e84df73 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 3660 Lines: 91 --0016e644d02cbc7b3d046e84df73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Kevin Reid wrote: > On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:43, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > ----- Original Message ---- >> >>> From: tijlan >>> To: jbovlaste@lojban.org >>> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 2:40:58 PM >>> Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: jbovlaste new entries >>> >>> >>> flari'a (enact; legal) >>> r1=f5 enacts law r2=f1 for community f3 under condition r3=f4 >>> >>> I guess it's OK to have alternatives, but be aware that jbovlaste >> already has {flatruci'e}, {zuktruci'e} and {pairtruci'e} for the three >> branches of government. >> > > It seems to me a bit unlojbanic to have {ciste} in these lujvo like trying > to distinguish a noun from a verb (govern vs. government). What additional > information/restriction does {ci'e} convey here? > > (I notice that the gismu list does have {truci'e} in the notes, though. There are at least two senses of 'government'. One is the abstraction of 'govern' ({zu'o turni}). Another is the mass of people, divided into various institutions, which does the governing; I think this is {truci'e}. Another (used in Britain IIRC, but not in the US) is the group composed of the PM & his ministers (& maybe their staffs) in their executive function. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --0016e644d02cbc7b3d046e84df73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Kevin Reid <kpreid@mac.com> wrote:
On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:43, A. PIEKARSKI wro= te:

----- Original Message ----
From: tijlan <j= botijlan@gmail.com>
To: jbovlaste@loj= ban.org
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 2:40:58 PM
Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: jbovlaste new entries


flari'a (enact; legal)
r1=3Df5 enacts law r2=3Df1 for community f3 under condition r3=3Df4

I guess it's OK to have alternatives, but be aware that jbovlaste
already has {flatruci'e}, {zuktruci'e} and {pairtruci'e} for th= e three
branches of government.

It seems to me a bit unlojbanic to have {ciste} in these lujvo like trying = to distinguish a noun from a verb (govern vs. government). What additional = information/restriction does {ci'e} convey here?

(I notice that the gismu list does have {truci'e} in the notes, though.=

There are at least two senses of 'government'= . One is the abstraction of 'govern' ({zu'o turni}). Another is= the mass of people, divided into various institutions, which does the gove= rning; I think this is {truci'e}. Another (used in Britain IIRC, but no= t in the US) is the group composed of the PM & his ministers (& may= be their staffs) in their executive function.

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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