Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:49:30 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQjJo-0007lD-RS; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:49:24 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQjJa-0007kj-Pc for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:49:07 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f195.google.com ([209.85.210.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQjJP-0007ie-7w for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:49:03 -0700 Received: by yxe33 with SMTP id 33so5031624yxe.28 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JSdZQ4ItnYQz08cSxG2puqQPLJdi80aJrc07JmeTfmw=; b=BjDjz0WpeIdfHZz5cbA5GnS/2VDwf4cEO/jPH012RuhbE6y53bhtmi2274nofuXvxq uImlAAOvUY9Kk75+wK2O3K1CB4nUP50p8+aoJ/C1/5JSrhpFtaw5yvQHxfnUd9FdIpYG bykUhwk8oMviaIyiHNpJNMs3FLsIPG2bgNOHs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xp0cAivx4TMe+wqQ3IAb7cWbx6grRDYX2jfW23M0jVcvvVeJatw3HyArAnUvywC8vt Mmsqi/QJh4oej0jfMmGJ07ptB3yxXi/DN5/9bzUBrgm/Km77TPe6wjrcQA5fPm63hwVz v6i2uaehHbvbEUgna8FctTn0ZjnAkz9ix1TY4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.39.13 with SMTP id r13mr10484469ybj.116.1247582929188; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200907141023.23288.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <12d58c160907020926q110af50ct2305b84a6266d886@mail.gmail.com> <834309.95244.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4de8c3930907140645k58af0dc8id0cc979d1142a278@mail.gmail.com> <200907141023.23288.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: jbovlaste new entries From: Theodore Reed To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ted.reed@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 995 Lines: 33 On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 07:23, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 14 July 2009 09:45:03 tijlan wrote: >> What would be the gloss for "selgu'e"? "people" >> (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/people) or "native" >> (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/native)? > > I think "people" is better, but both English words are polysemous. > > Then there's "natmi". Is there any difference between gugde and natmi, besides > that a gugde has a land? > > Would one say "la jugygug. gugde loi .uigru" or "la jugygug. gugde individual Uighur>"? I'm pretty sure I've seen usage similar to "mi selgu'e le merko" or "do selgu'e ma". I'm also pretty sure that you could reasonably say either (of your two examples). >> As for "citizen", how about: >> flaselgu'e (citizen; member of a state) >> g2 is a citizen, a legally recognized member of g1 (country/state) in >> g3 (land/territory) by law f1. > > If g2 is a people, then "flaselgu'ecmi", but the "fla-" is good. .ie mu'omi'e.bancus