Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:29:42 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MNVWr-0003Ai-FJ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:29:31 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MNVVz-0003AN-A0 for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:28:36 -0700 Received: from web110406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.8.230]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MNVVu-0003A7-EQ for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:28:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 74065 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2009 17:28:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1246814903; bh=YW7+REmLq3EcbZv8NioAVYUNyWVnyn0Ek5g8a1+WfUs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4MfNQAGNY20j3FvvkWVJEFyZFb65iByEyXgPp20MTdtjhQufBxT9lPhy50ev4JBSh3ULrojwOM+S0DyJMD0VvouvV30DwhBIQ21ifrkuFrbEGRZMNXkZrYCSAPlrJR9+bd3IebUYpKUg6/S9dK1aciJLiwh9mB1F9VNjUbA9jPk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CsGVhPQL2atXRACW26izVpTzNszO0a6Zfi2OsmcS4+Uu9v6lPug+Z5HAQZAGO0idkec+XHitXLwAHYvLVTtYGtzNo9DUJvpp7AvsnVM36M9fkhVjaHLCIjgqpvSZPK4p8KO2w13rv9qvx0TTdzwwgFTSbVhDI+2l5O8kS3FhBG0=; Message-ID: <55762.67812.qm@web110406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ENrXik8VM1m.XDGoJE6LJdasXDlRQyqG9WN07uZmvFpKB9b6LgGU_IPmZTdLjx8zBIaI0TG8qQTOxLZ96bWMLtkc98zoMl0jAFX4laRl1b2MLESRwCS56lTMsimaVrG4DRa71r3f7YvEmB8qBvElctNVhUQWp382._ONT9iNa0cBQrxUwDMRzHnEqrhSFOlTSFxa69bKMyj_PUQ7GXRhvS8LLmpkmsIRJwKLmUcrsp2omZvnRosTSF_zNFVrhHBVI_xZD2qdcxJfzLCPKWBRvpsSzOsqN1Sd6eCYO.q3pnjTVqTlD4u5MMOz.oMY8qKQ1rRtZmBsrjWj6la55ns9OmZok1Y59dkd1ZXkVYk- Received: from [24.13.139.142] by web110406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:28:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:28:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathaniel Krause Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: jbovlaste new entries To: jbovlaste@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-618858004-1246814902=:67812" X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nathanielkrause@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 2657 Lines: 46 --0-618858004-1246814902=:67812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- On Sat, 7/4/09, tijlan wrote: From: tijlan Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: jbovlaste new entries To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 8:57 AM ja'arcu'a (elect; to choose in election) c1 elects c2=j1 (candidate) from alternatives c3. * There is "gubycu'a" for "vote". I'm not sure there is a good lujvo option for "vote" and related concepts. Certainly, not all elections are for jatnas and not all jatna-choosings are elections. I had previously encountered this problem when trying to translate the word "candidate", and had decided that only a fu'ivla would handle it. I don't remember the specifics of what I came up with, though. selgu'e (citizen; member of a state) g2 is a citizen, a legally recognized member of g1 (country/state) in g3 (land/territory). I don't think there's anything in the definition of "gugde" which specifies legal recognition. Cheers, Nat Krause --0-618858004-1246814902=:67812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
--- On Sat, 7/4/09, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

From: tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>
Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: jbovlaste new entries
To: jbovlaste@lojban.org
Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 8:57 AM

ja'arcu'a (elect; to choose in election)
c1 elects c2=j1 (candidate) from alternatives c3.

* There is "gubycu'a" for "vote".

I'm not sure there is a good lujvo option for "vote" and related concepts. Certainly, not all elections are for jatnas and not all jatna-choosings are elections. I had previously encountered this problem when trying to translate the word "candidate", and had decided that only a fu'ivla would handle it. I don't remember the specifics of what I came up with, though.


selgu'e (citizen; member of a state)
g2 is a citizen, a legally recognized member of g1 (country/state) in
g3 (land/territory).

I don't think there's anything in the definition of "gugde" which specifies legal recognition.

Cheers,

Nat Krause


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