Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:43:06 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPMvQ-0007y9-Gh; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:42:49 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPMuY-0007xz-9W for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:41:39 -0700 Received: from imr-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.209]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MPMuV-0007xX-A6 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:41:38 -0700 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a57a75f29f; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:41:03 -0400 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id d.d0a.51bf98aa (14502) for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:41:19 EDT Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: za'e mablrxasxolo (was: Re: Newbie: How does voting work, esp... To: jbovlaste@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0a.51bf98aa.3789016f_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 11501 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 3507 Lines: 88 --part1_d0a.51bf98aa.3789016f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/2009 15:49:54 Eastern Daylight Time, mungojelly@gmail.com writes: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > > > As a side note, how would one say "asshole" in lojban? It seems like a > word > > that has a lot of cultural bias in it. But how would one express that > > concept of "that person is a _____" where "_____" has a whole lot of > > connotations about selfishness etc... that we in english have decided to > > shorten into "asshole"? > > > You can make all sorts of colorful "mal-" lujvo that could have any > sort of connotations, but if you want to bring through the same > connotations as an English word the appropriate way to do it is > probably with a fu'ivla. Perhaps "mablrxasxolo"? > My approach would be to paraphrase it literally, avoiding the English word/metaphor completely, and go just for the meaning. Then try to find or construct a Lojban equivalent that wasn't too long. It's all the connotations that might be a problem. Or you could come up with a basic word for "selfish" (or whatever you determine to be the basic meaning of the word) and then embellish as necessary. How do you say "selfish" in Lojban? It doesn't seem to be a gismu or simple cmavo. stevo --part1_d0a.51bf98aa.3789016f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a messag= e dated 7/10/2009 15:49:54 Eastern Daylight Time, mungojelly@gmail.com wri= tes:

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at= 3:15 PM, Luke Bergen<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As a side note, how would one say "asshole" in lojban? It= seems like a word
> that has a lot of cultural bias in it. But how would one ex= press that
> concept of "that person is a _____" where "_____" has a whole lot= of
> connotations about selfishness etc... that we in english have dec= ided to
> shorten into "asshole"?

You can make all sorts of colorful "mal-" lujvo that could have any
sort of connotations, but if you want to bring through the same
connotations as an English word the appropriate way to do it is
probably with a fu'ivla. Perhaps "mablrxasxolo"?

My approach would be to paraphrase it literally, avoiding the English= word/metaphor completely, and go just for the meaning. Then try to= find or construct a Lojban equivalent that wasn't too long. It's al= l the connotations that might be a problem.
Or you could come up with a basic word for "selfish" (or whatever you= determine to be the basic meaning of the word) and then embellish as nece= ssary.

How do you say "selfish" in Lojban? It doesn't seem to be a gism= u or simple cmavo.

stevo --part1_d0a.51bf98aa.3789016f_boundary--