Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:07:06 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiZd4-00005s-Tg; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:07:01 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiZcS-00005k-7W for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:06:20 -0700 Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MiZcM-00005Q-T3 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:06:19 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:2a0:c9ff:feab:76e2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E6B94794 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:05:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id n81K5I3P025289 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:05:18 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id n81K5Bha025288 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:05:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:05:11 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Ramadan etc Message-ID: <20090901200511.GJ5073@nvg.org> References: <711327.89799.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090901171911.GA17385@sdf.lonestar.org> <180785.68243.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <180785.68243.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 1153 Lines: 24 On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:36:16PM -0700, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > > Eid ul Fitr (Festival of the end of the fast - end of Ramadan):  > > > famsezyfantynunsla > > > > "end-self-prevent-celebration"?  "Celebration of preventing one's end"?  I > > think something like "{caurfamnunsla}" ("Celebration of the end of lacking") > > might be a better translation, though it could undoubtedly be improved. > > > > Yes, that should have been  > sezyfantyfamnunsla i.e. celebration of the end of self-restraint.  Are you suggesting > caurfamnunsla is preferable because its shorter - or for > another reason? This veljvo could equally well refer to Holy Thursday (the end of Christian Lent), and the aftermath of a number of fasts in Judaism. Given the specificity of this concept, I really think it would be better served as a fu'ivla. And given the importance of Arabic in Islam, it would not be a breach of cultural neutrality to borrow the term from Arabic. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Confusion among -ate ~ -ant pairs is even more prominate, since both are legitimant suffixes. --Adam Albright