Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:29:23 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mifay-0008Ld-0U; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:29:15 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mifa9-0008LT-NM for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:28:21 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mifa5-0008Ko-0K for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:28:21 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090902022809240.EOGS16127@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 02:28:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C4FA5D1 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Ramadan etc Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:27:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <711327.89799.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <180785.68243.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20090901200511.GJ5073@nvg.org> In-Reply-To: <20090901200511.GJ5073@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909012227.55857.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 849 Lines: 21 On Tuesday 01 September 2009 16:05:11 Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > This veljvo could equally well refer to Holy Thursday (the end of Christian > Lent), and the aftermath of a number of fasts in Judaism. Given the > specificity of this concept, I really think it would be better served as a > fu'ivla. And given the importance of Arabic in Islam, it would not be a > breach of cultural neutrality to borrow the term from Arabic. I'm thinking of "idbaira", where the "baira" part comes from Turkish "Bayram", which has been borrowed into Bosnian. On Tuesday 01 September 2009 15:36:16 A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > There was no response for Ramdana for Ramadan. Does that mean > it's ok as a fu'ivla? It is. The "d" isn't exactly a "d"; it's an emphatic "d", which in Turkish turned into "z". However, "ramzana" is not a valid Lojban word. Pierre