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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: "A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>
Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Ramadan etc
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>=0A> This veljvo could equally well refer to Holy Thursday (the end of Chr=
istian=0A> Lent), and the aftermath of a number of fasts in Judaism. Given =
the specificity=0A> of this concept, I really think it would be better serv=
ed as a fu'ivla. And=0A> given the importance of Arabic in Islam, it would =
not be a breach of cultural=0A> neutrality to borrow the term from Arabic.=
=0A>=0A=0A=0AYou have a good point.=A0 However, I am conservative on Type 4=
 fu'ivla in that I believe=0A>>they should only be used for words that are =
internationally recognized.=A0 'Ramadan'=0A>>is recognized virtually everyw=
here, whereas Eid ul Fitr is not.=A0 I'm tempted to=0A>>suggest musysezyfan=
tyfamnunsla - but that's just too long!=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>I think it's b=
est to take a hint from Moslems themselves. What do non-Arabic-speaking Mos=
lems call these holiday? =A0Do American Moslems call it "Eid-ul-Fitr" or do=
 they call it "breaking the fast day"? =A0I believe the former, so this is =
what Lojban should do as well.=0A>=0A>I do undersatnd there is no consensus=
 on this.=A0 But lojban is for everybody.=A0 'International recognized' doe=
s not mean American Moslems.=A0 For me it means also=A0recognition by Japan=
ese Buddhists, Brazilian atheists, German agnostics etc.=0A>=0A>=0A>totus
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2pt"><DIV>&gt;<BR>&gt; This veljvo could equally well refer to Holy Thursda=
y (the end of Christian<BR>&gt; Lent), and the aftermath of a number of fas=
ts in Judaism. Given the specificity<BR>&gt; of this concept, I really thin=
k it would be better served as a fu'ivla. And<BR>&gt; given the importance =
of Arabic in Islam, it would not be a breach of cultural<BR>&gt; neutrality=
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ING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3Dgmail_quote>You have a good point.&nbsp; However, I =
am conservative on Type 4 fu'ivla in that I believe<BR>they should only be =
used for words that are internationally recognized.&nbsp; 'Ramadan'<BR>is r=
ecognized virtually everywhere, whereas Eid ul Fitr is not.&nbsp; I'm tempt=
ed to<BR>suggest musysezyfantyfamnunsla - but that's just too long!<BR><BR>=
</BLOCKQUOTE>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>I think it's best to take a hint fro=
m Moslems themselves. What do non-Arabic-speaking Moslems call these holida=
y? &nbsp;Do American Moslems call it "Eid-ul-Fitr" or do they call it "brea=
king the fast day"? &nbsp;I believe the former, so this is what Lojban shou=
ld do as well.</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>I do undersatnd there is no=
 consensus on this.&nbsp; But lojban is for everybody.&nbsp; 'International=
 recognized' does not mean American Moslems.&nbsp; For me it means also&nbs=
p;recognition by Japanese Buddhists, Brazilian atheists, German agnostics e=
tc.</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR>totus</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV=
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