Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:34:02 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjJ0C-0006Id-1j; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:33:54 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjIzT-0006IV-JS for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:33:07 -0700 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjIzQ-0006I7-8W for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:33:07 -0700 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n83KWowk022242 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:32:50 -0400 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id d.cd1.58edc5de (41812) for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:32:48 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:32:48 EDT Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: grammatical constituents To: jbovlaste@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd1.58edc5de.37d181f0_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 11501 X-AOL-SENDER: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 2359 Lines: 67 --part1_cd1.58edc5de.37d181f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/2009 10:33:01 Eastern Daylight Time, phma@phma.optus.nu writes: > I think the subject should be called lo sumti be fi li pa, the direct > object > lo sumti be fi li re, and the indirect object lo sumti be fi li ci. Except > in > ergative constructions, where the subject sumti fi li re and the direct > object sumti fi li pa. This doesn't mean that they are normally in that > order, but verbs more often have a first sumti than a second, and a second > more often than a third. > > Pierre > I don't think they should be numbered at all. And subject and object and indirect object are parts of sentences, so something with component "jufra" 'sentence' (juf ju'a. x1 (text) is a sentence/statement about x2 [topic/subject/predicate/focus] in language x3 1h 111 [phrase (= jufpau, suzrelvla, suzvla, gensle)]) stevo --part1_cd1.58edc5de.37d181f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a messag= e dated 9/3/2009 10:33:01 Eastern Daylight Time, phma@phma.optus.nu writes= :

I think the subject sho= uld be called lo sumti be fi li pa, the direct object=20
lo sumti be fi li re, and the indirect object lo sumti be fi li ci. Ex= cept in=20
ergative constructions, where the subject sumti fi li re and the direc= t=20
object sumti fi li pa. This doesn't mean that they are normally in tha= t=20
order, but verbs more often have a first sumti than a second, and a se= cond=20
more often than a third.

Pierre

I don't think they should be numbered at all. And subject and ob= ject and indirect object are parts of sentences, so something with compone= nt "jufra" 'sentence' (juf ju'a. x1 (text) is a sentence/statement about= x2 [topic/subject/predicate/focus] in language x3 = ; 1h 111 [phrase (=3D jufpau, suzrelvla= , suzvla, gensle)])

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