Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:21:36 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjLcO-0002TS-G0; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:21:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjLbp-0002TJ-KQ for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:20:53 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com ([209.85.218.227]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjLbm-0002Sn-2j for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:20:53 -0700 Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so316283bwz.34 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:20:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=T59f1j5NM1Fif+x+4zhRP2ZTIm6fvZBy+sjer/zizuY=; b=m5spmMiR1IZQthQCe2YNzMeROISC/GvBQ9dPvLTlKxg9nIvSK5hR+Fh4kaLTKInV70 TPTvo3SvSUdQz9NGBfMUYImK1Ho5HOR7fgzIutCUPkfVFXqxHZZGy8rnGMbh5h2LAOrp Opz+kRsAlP9OxcWeoZ8xZPiorfsu+x75H0kNo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=YyySL2kOAP7Dh0vNrmAuU9T5DLmdT+iKGYMSK2J5gKb67FpfGLJmy2L+pnDbKRwNL5 OFgVFWbB0LGVxW9ucpOTcxUQug0lmI27SEq0j068Vb+UBQKMGwQnpCR7oXXXJoWofOLH nl90D8FJ6A+FFvePRh2vmVC/ZaDpaUxh9h1+Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.2.75 with SMTP id 11mr4381934fai.54.1252020043419; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:20:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200909031834.24379.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200909031834.24379.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 01:20:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 31105472748b6486 Message-ID: <4de8c3930909031620i5715cbcdg675b19fbec351e9d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: grammatical constituents From: tijlan To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 512 Lines: 12 2009/9/4 Pierre Abbat : > The terms "subject" and "object" are artifacts of the Greek and Latin > grammarians whose foundation we build on. Had English grammar been based on > Sanskrit grammar, we would probably have numbered places. Sanskrit has eight > cases, which are numbered 1-7 in Sanskrit grammar (the vocative considered > something else and not assigned a number). But "subject" is not really a case. It's not the same as the "nominative" case, despite the general correlation.