Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:00:33 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MqVCT-0005Pj-Pf; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:00:20 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MqVBg-0005Pc-0u for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:59:28 -0700 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MqVBc-0005OC-7k for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:59:27 -0700 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8NGxA1s019586 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:59:10 -0400 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id d.c82.51035d16 (14457) for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:59:08 -0400 (EDT) From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:55:22 EDT Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: spring To: jbovlaste@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c82.51035d16.37ebacfa_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 11501 X-AOL-SENDER: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 2470 Lines: 67 --part1_c82.51035d16.37ebacfa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/23/2009 11:29:30 Eastern Daylight Time, phma@phma.optus.nu writes: > Tornado?? I thought that was konbi'e. As to a paperclip, it is a sort of > spring too. There are coil springs and leaf springs, so why not > bent-back-to-hold-things springs? > > There's no rule that says that a Lojban word has to have the same semantic > range as an English word. Lojban and English don't even divide the major > parts of speech the same way. > > Pierre > "konbi'e" (cone+wind) is just one way to get across the idea of 'tornado', but certainly not the only way. "carbi'e" (spin+wind) identifies another (perhaps more) salient characteristic of a tornado than the shape. It could also refer to hurricanes, water spouts, and dust devils, too. mu'o mi'e stevon --part1_c82.51035d16.37ebacfa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a messag= e dated 9/23/2009 11:29:30 Eastern Daylight Time, phma@phma.optus.nu write= s:

Tornado?? I thought tha= t was konbi'e. As to a paperclip, it is a sort of=20
spring too. There are coil springs and leaf springs, so why not=20
bent-back-to-hold-things springs?

There's no rule that says that a Lojban word has to have the same sema= ntic=20
range as an English word. Lojban and English don't even divide the maj= or=20
parts of speech the same way.

Pierre

"konbi'e" (cone+wind) is just one way to get across the idea of= 'tornado', but certainly not the only way. "carbi'e" (spin+wind) id= entifies another (perhaps more) salient characteristic of a tornado than= the shape. It could also refer to hurricanes, water spouts, and dus= t devils, too.

mu'o mi'e stevon --part1_c82.51035d16.37ebacfa_boundary--