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Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: valid words that vlatai thinks aren't
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Pierre Abbat scripsit:

> Some weeks ago I entered the Lojbanized Latin names of the months (just
> the currently used names). "martio", "prilio", "madjio", "djunio", and
> "djulio" were rejected. There's a bug in vlatai which calls a fu'ivla
> invalid if changing a diphthong that can occur in fu'ivla but not
> lujvo to one that can occur in lujvo turns it into a lujvo (such as
> "marti'o").

After CLL we changed the morphology rules to eliminate iV and uV from
fu'ivla, basically for the same reason we removed them from lujvo when
Lojban was created: they tend to be phonologically unstable.  For example,
"martio" can become "martco" (note what happened in English).  That would
destroy audio-visual isomorphism.  So now those diphthongs are only
allowed cmavo and cmevla, never in brivla.

> considers "mercedonio", which also ends in the diphthong "io", to
> be valid.

It's treating it as "mer+ced+o+ni'o", which can't be a lujvo, so it's
valid.

(If that's Macedonia, it should have a k in it.)

> Is anyone planning to fix vlatai or change the way jbovlaste decides
> if a word is valid?

It's jbovlaste that's obsolete here.

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