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From: "A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>
Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Esther Chapter 2
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=0A=0A=A0=0A> >=0A>>=0A>>But isn't this the same situation that we discusse=
d with xorxes for words like=0A>>{selteptce}, {stanycma}, and plinycma?=0A>=
>=0A>>fearsome: {selteptce} not {tceselte'a}=A0=A0=0A>>from: m1 mutce lo ka=
 t2 se terpa t1 kei m3=0A>>=A0=0A>>sprout: {stanycma} not {cmastani}=0A>>fr=
om: c1=3Ds1 cmalu loka stani s2 kei c3=0A>>=A0=0A>>asteroid {plinycma} not =
{cmaplini}=0A>>from:=A0c1 cmalu loka p1 plini p2 p3 p4 kei c3=0A>>=A0=0A>>I=
n all the above cases, _tce, _cma, etc can be expanded easily to their=0A>>=
origins.=A0 How would you expand {tceselte'a}, {cmastini}, {cmaplini} and .=
..=0A>>{me'aspe}?=0A>It should be noted here that {cmalu} & {mutce} don't o=
perate in the same way. Specifically, while your expansion involving {mutce=
} seems sound to me, your expansion involving {cmalu} decidedly does not. =
=0A>=0A>=0A>cmalu : x1 is small in property/dimension(s) x2 (ka) as compare=
d with standard/norm x3=0A>A small planet is not small in the property/dime=
nsion of being a planet. I think the underlying tanru, {cmalu plini} expand=
s to {cmalu je plini} or {c1=3Dp1 cmalu c2 c3 gi'e plini p2 p3 p4}.=0A>=0A>=
But even with your tanru-based expansion, you still can't avoid 'the proper=
ty of being a planet'.=A0 After all, what is c2?=0A>=0A>totus
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:1=
2pt"><DIV><BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,1=
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ote>&gt; &gt;<BR><BR>But isn't this the same situation that we discussed wi=
th xorxes for words like<BR>{selteptce}, {stanycma}, and plinycma?<BR><BR>f=
earsome: {selteptce} not {tceselte'a}&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>from: m1 mutce lo ka t=
2 se terpa t1 kei m3<BR>&nbsp;<BR>sprout: {stanycma} not {cmastani}<BR>from=
: c1=3Ds1 cmalu loka stani s2 kei c3<BR>&nbsp;<BR>asteroid {plinycma} not {=
cmaplini}<BR>from:&nbsp;c1 cmalu loka p1 plini p2 p3 p4 kei c3<BR>&nbsp;<BR=
>In all the above cases, _tce, _cma, etc can be expanded easily to their<BR=
>origins.&nbsp; How would you expand {tceselte'a}, {cmastini}, {cmaplini} a=
nd ...<BR>{me'aspe}?</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>It should be noted here that {cm=
alu} &amp; {mutce} don't operate in the same way. Specifically, while your =
expansion involving {mutce} seems sound to me, your expansion involving {cm=
alu} decidedly does not.
 <BR><BR><PRE>cmalu : x1 is small in property/dimension(s) x2 (ka) as compa=
red with standard/norm x3</PRE><BR>A small planet is not small in the prope=
rty/dimension of being a planet. I think the underlying tanru, {cmalu plini=
} expands to {cmalu je plini} or {c1=3Dp1 cmalu c2 c3 gi'e plini p2 p3 p4}.=
<BR><BR>But even with your tanru-based expansion, you still can't avoid 'th=
e property of being a planet'.&nbsp; After all, what is c2?</DIV>=0A<DIV st=
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es, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">totus</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></div></body></ht=
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