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PIEKARSKI" Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Esther Chapter 2 To: jbovlaste@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <12d58c160910161144k7cce57f8x37db2904720b1b15@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-994504045-1255741626=:40241" X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 4812 Lines: 73 --0-994504045-1255741626=:40241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0A>=0A>From: "komfo,amonan" =0A>To: jbovlaste= @lojban.org=0A>Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 2:44:55 PM=0A>Subject: [jbovlast= e] Re: Esther Chapter 2=0A>=0A>=0A>On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Daniel = Brockman wrote:=0A>=0A>>> A small planet is not small = in the property/dimension of being a planet. I=0A>>>> think the underlying = tanru, {cmalu plini} expands to {cmalu je plini} or=0A>>>> {c1=3Dp1 cmalu c= 2 c3 gi'e plini p2 p3 p4}.=0A>>>=0A>>> But even with your tanru-based expan= sion, you still can't avoid 'the=0A>>> property of being a planet'.=A0 Afte= r all, what is c2?=0A>>=0A>>Something like {lo ka canlu ce'u}?=0A>>=0A>That= was exactly my thinking.=0A>=0A>Possibly.=A0 But I still don't see the pro= blem in having something have the property of =0A>being a planet.=A0 When a= re properties no longer properties?=A0 Obviously, for example, =0A>length i= s a property.=A0 So is area, though now we have a property =0A>that is a co= mbination of two properties.=A0 How about flatness, now a property of more = =0A>properties.=A0 The property of being a planet=A0is nothing more than=A0= a vast =0A>number of properties.=A0 So?=A0 We may not be used to thinking i= n such terms, but then =0A>lojban is supposed to make us think in new ways,= isn't it?=0A>=0A>totus --0-994504045-1255741626=:40241 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: Esther Chapter = 2

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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM= , Daniel Brockman <danie= l@brockman.se> wrote:
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>> A small planet is not small= in the property/dimension of being a planet. I
>> think the under= lying tanru, {cmalu plini} expands to {cmalu je plini} or
>> {c1= =3Dp1 cmalu c2 c3 gi'e plini p2 p3 p4}.
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> But even with your = tanru-based expansion, you still can't avoid 'the
> property of being= a planet'.  After all, what is c2?

Something like {lo ka= canlu ce'u}?

That was exactly my thinking.
Possibly.  But I still don't see the problem in having something hav= e the property of
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being a planet.  When are propert= ies no longer properties?  Obviously, for example,
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= length is a property.  So is area, though now we have a property =0A
that is a combination of two properties.  How about flat= ness, now a property of more
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properties.  The prope= rty of being a planet is nothing more than a vast
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number of properties.  So?  We may not be used to thinking in= such terms, but then
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lojban is supposed to make us thin= k in new ways, isn't it?
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totus
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