Return-path: X-Spam-Personal-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Envelope-to: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Delivery-date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:24:11 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mz5Vr-0007tm-D2; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:23:50 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list jbovlaste); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mz5VN-0007tX-Il for jbovlaste-real@lojban.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:23:17 -0700 Received: from server88-208-244-157.live-servers.net ([88.208.244.157] helo=uruz.twey.co.uk) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mz5VG-0007se-51 for jbovlaste@lojban.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:23:17 -0700 Received: by uruz.twey.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 33) id BCA05198F1; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:23:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from cpc3-brig15-2-0-cust781.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com (cpc3-brig15-2-0-cust781.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com [81.106.151.14]) by pim.twey.co.uk (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: <20091017102300.11505fq5idzufzsw@pim.twey.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:23:00 +0100 From: "James 'Twey' Kay" To: jbovlaste@lojban.org Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: What would happen if xu and ko were put together? References: <587457860910170026n7c7f93adh20d7eeb05a4081cb@mail.gmail.com> <20091017080522.GD3040@mercury.ccil.org> <977963.86617.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <977963.86617.qm@web50412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: jbovlaste-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: twey@twey.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: jbovlaste@lojban.org X-list: jbovlaste Content-Length: 756 Lines: 22 la .lindar. pu ciska zoi gy. > However, regarding xu and ko? It sounds like an awkward > post-jbogugde polite-ism to sound like the English "Could you please > ______?". I don't see that it's necessarily -incorrect- as > everybody wants to seem to assert, but it's certainly a very > strange thing to say. To take it to extremes to demonstrate how > strange it sounds to me, I use this (poor) example: "Go get me a > pop. Y/N?" .gy. I would interpret it to mean ‘I order you to ; will you do it?’ Remembering that tense is not implied, the whole bridi could quite well be in the future. The overall effect could be something like the English ‘I want you to go to the shops, do you understand?’ -- Twey