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Subject: [jbovlaste] Re: What would happen if xu and ko were put together?
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On Oct 17, 2009, at 17:19, Lindar Greenwood <lindarthebard@yahoo.com>  
wrote:

>>>>>> I really do mean both ".i ko klama zo'e" and ".i do klama ma"  
>>>>>> at the
>>>>>> same time,
>>>
>>> I don't think there necessarily has to be a way to express those  
>>> at the
>>>>> same time, any more than there's a way to express "I'll go with  
>>>>> you"
>>>>> and "You stink" at the same time.  (Or is there?)
>
> There isn't a -need- for it, but I see the possibility of it being  
> used.
> It seems to me that you're trying to accurately translate it to  
> English,
> then understand it, which can't be done, which is why many are  
> saying that
> it doesn't actually make sense. I see {ma} like a 'fill in the blank'
> indicator, which is a unique property to Lojban. It doesn't make  
> things
> a question, it makes it (to me) and incomplete sentence with a request
> for the information to be completed. {.i do klama ma} to me is more  
> like
> "You're going _____." with a little note that says "Please fill in the
> blank! Thank you!" rather than literally being "Where are you going?".
>
>
>>>>>> Even if there was a parse order and you had to read it as ".i do
>>>>>> klama ma" first, then with 'ko', or vice-versa, I still mean both
>>>>>> regardless of which one you read first, assuming you have to  
>>>>>> read it
>>>>>> as one without the other, then the inverse.
>>>
>>> The "priority" issue, as I've tried to explain above, is not about
>>>>> which statement is effectively made first, but about which  
>>>>> speech act
>>>>> is dominant.
>
> I'm not saying that either is dominant, and I'm actually fiercely  
> stating
> the opposite. Both are equally dominant in the sentence, and should be
> read at the same time because the order in which they are read is
> irrelevant. It's not "Tell me where you are going." it's "Go. Where?"

Or, alternately, "Where are you going? Go there."